ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Oct 25, 2022 20:09:36 GMT
Crikey, Jenrick, Plebgate, even Gav's back ... what dirt has Private Pike got on Rishi to get a cabinet seat
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michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Oct 25, 2022 20:13:47 GMT
Filling in the troughs at the expense of not increasing the peaks further. It is what it is. Minister of Redistribution even sounds clearer. Guess it might be a while before the Tories take me up on my idea though.... Never going to happen ... the word has left wing & socialist connotations & MoR actually sounds unpleasant & quasi-totalitarian. Really? I didn't know that.... That is what it is though isn't it.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 26, 2022 7:12:31 GMT
Never going to happen ... the word has left wing & socialist connotations & MoR actually sounds unpleasant & quasi-totalitarian. Really? I didn't know that.... That is what it is though isn't it. "Redistribution of wealth" is just about the buzzword definition of socialism - right from Robin Hood to Marx. Or, to put it another way - "from each according to their means, to each according to their needs".
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Post by overthehill on Oct 26, 2022 8:07:43 GMT
sadly there is no dislike button. so I'll just leave this here:
Naive and a national security risk with ungracious arrogance to criticize her own government on the way out. She has that promoted beyond ability look like 'police don't investigate crimes retrospectively' Raab and the BoE ex-FCA supremo.
I don't know much about her but my instincts are still razor sharp.
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michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Oct 26, 2022 13:07:27 GMT
Really? I didn't know that.... That is what it is though isn't it. "Redistribution of wealth" is just about the buzzword definition of socialism - right from Robin Hood to Marx. Or, to put it another way - "from each according to their means, to each according to their needs". This is getting silly now. I apologise that my sarcasm didn't shine through the text on the screen. Is there anyone who doesn't appreciate the connotations of redistribution? Lets start again: Isn't minister for levelling up essentially a Tory minister for redistribution? That's the conundrum I don't get.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 26, 2022 14:54:28 GMT
Lets start again: Isn't minister for levelling up essentially a Tory minister for redistribution? No. www.gov.uk/government/publications/levelling-up-the-united-kingdomEven the government say it's about "spreading opportunity more equally". Because, obvs, ABSOLUTELY EVERYBODY in a given area is rolling in it whilst ABSOLUTELY EVERYBODY in a different given area is downtrodden.
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Post by pikestaff on Oct 26, 2022 15:23:55 GMT
Lets start again: Isn't minister for levelling up essentially a Tory minister for redistribution? That's the conundrum I don't get. Successive Conservative governments have (1) cut council funding severely and (2) changed the funding formula so that deprived areas get a smaller share of the reduced cake, while the likes of Tunbridge Wells have been (relatively speaking) protected. Sunak crowed about this in the leadership campaign that he lost. I believe the job of the minister for levelling up is to generate a lot of noise, while returning a few crumbs (as few as they can possibly get away with) to some of the areas the money was taken from in the first place.
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 26, 2022 16:31:07 GMT
"Redistribution of wealth" is just about the buzzword definition of socialism - right from Robin Hood to Marx. Or, to put it another way - "from each according to their means, to each according to their needs". This is getting silly now. I apologise that my sarcasm didn't shine through the text on the screen.
Is there anyone who doesn't appreciate the connotations of redistribution? Lets start again: Isn't minister for levelling up essentially a Tory minister for redistribution? That's the conundrum I don't get. Apologies that my sarcasm didn't shine through the text: link
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Post by Greenwood2 on Oct 26, 2022 16:49:38 GMT
This is getting silly now. I apologise that my sarcasm didn't shine through the text on the screen.
Is there anyone who doesn't appreciate the connotations of redistribution? Lets start again: Isn't minister for levelling up essentially a Tory minister for redistribution? That's the conundrum I don't get. Apologies that my sarcasm didn't shine through the text: linkRedistribution implies someone loses and someone gains (political suicide), levelling up implies people are brought up to the same level with no one losing anything, sounds politically much more OK.
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 26, 2022 16:59:47 GMT
Apologies that my sarcasm didn't shine through the text: linkRedistribution implies someone loses and someone gains (political suicide), levelling up implies people are brought up to the same level with no one losing anything, sounds politically much more OK. Yes it does imply that: which is precisely why I refer (sarcastically) to 'marketing'. It's spin, intended to not scare the (shire) horses* while attracting the northern "red wall" punters. Of course the difference between what is promised and what is actually delivered or possible is often referred to as the 'marketing gap'. I think there is more than a passing similarity with politics.....
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michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Oct 26, 2022 18:05:39 GMT
This is getting silly now. I apologise that my sarcasm didn't shine through the text on the screen.
Is there anyone who doesn't appreciate the connotations of redistribution? Lets start again: Isn't minister for levelling up essentially a Tory minister for redistribution? That's the conundrum I don't get. Apologies that my sarcasm didn't shine through the text: linkYou're gonna have to explain that ?
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Post by daveb on Oct 27, 2022 21:12:45 GMT
Lets start again: Isn't minister for levelling up essentially a Tory minister for redistribution? That's the conundrum I don't get. Successive Conservative governments have (1) cut council funding severely and (2) changed the funding formula so that deprived areas get a smaller share of the reduced cake, while the likes of Tunbridge Wells have been (relatively speaking) protected. Sunak crowed about this in the leadership campaign that he lost. I believe the job of the minister for levelling up is to generate a lot of noise, while returning a few crumbs (as few as they can possibly get away with) to some of the areas the money was taken from in the first place. Or possibly to provide some money for "red wall" seats that turn Tory while withholding it from the Labour ones...
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Post by overthehill on Oct 28, 2022 12:38:37 GMT
Nothing for the BBC political reporters to get in a frenzy about now a MAN has taken charge. Have they all gone on holiday? Big oil and gas windfall taxes Pension triple lock Braverman national security risk Economy
National strikes Winter power cuts Brexit fallout NI 2030 ban of petrol and diesel cars Boris Johnson's indefinite holiday as PM and member of Parliament.
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Post by registerme on Oct 29, 2022 9:34:27 GMT
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Post by bracknellboy on Nov 8, 2022 20:53:36 GMT
Crikey, Jenrick, Plebgate, even Gav's back ... what dirt has Private Pike got on Rishi to get a cabinet seat ilmoro Not for long: Williamson resigns after bullying claims
in answer to the question, obviously not enough dirt...... We were all wondering Why? Now we are doubling down on Why ?
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