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Post by phoenix on Sept 12, 2014 11:37:17 GMT
Alex doesn't believe the marriage is over he just want more power in it. Cynicism doesn't always equate to realism, you know. One of its weaknesses is the tendency to underestimate the power of optimism and idealism. Which is exactly what the No campaign was doing until very recently. Which is not to say that Yes will win, but if not, it won't be for lack of trying, far from it.
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Post by batchoy on Sept 12, 2014 14:37:09 GMT
Some interesting Vox Pops on today though given that they weren't live one has to hope for balanced editing by the broadcasters, but there a few were comments from postal voters voicing the concern that in the light of the comments coming from the banking and food retail sectors their 'Yes' vote might have been the wrong thing to do.
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Post by phoenix on Sept 12, 2014 16:01:03 GMT
Some interesting Vox Pops on today though given that they weren't live one has to hope for balanced editing by the broadcasters, but there a few were comments from postal voters voicing the concern that in the light of the comments coming from the banking and food retail sectors their 'Yes' vote might have been the wrong thing to do. If that's true then they weren't paying attention, most of those comments were merely repetitions of things said by the same people months ago.
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Post by batchoy on Sept 12, 2014 16:30:33 GMT
Some interesting Vox Pops on today though given that they weren't live one has to hope for balanced editing by the broadcasters, but there a few were comments from postal voters voicing the concern that in the light of the comments coming from the banking and food retail sectors their 'Yes' vote might have been the wrong thing to do. If that's true then they weren't paying attention, most of those comments were merely repetitions of things said by the same people months ago. I think a lot of people have not been paying attention and many more have not been bothering to research the facts, preferring believe anti-English/anti-Westminster rhetoric simply because it it anti-English/anti-Westminster. A classic has to be the chained unicorn that appears on the British Royal Coat of Arms which those with an anti-English viewpoint claim represent the the subjugation of the Scots by the English who are represented buy the laughing Lion on the other side of the shield.
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Post by merlin on Sept 12, 2014 17:00:14 GMT
Earlier today I heard some SNP twit talking about how if they get a "Yes" vote they will fund future growth of the Scottish economy and he mumbled on about raising money from "Oil Bonds" or in other words flogging off future revenues from oil so they could spend the money now. Excuse me, but didn't Gordon Browne do that some years back, leaving us with a massive debt we are still trying to pay off.
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 12, 2014 17:40:34 GMT
Earlier today I heard some SNP twit talking about how if they get a "Yes" vote they will fund future growth of the Scottish economy and he mumbled on about raising money from "Oil Bonds" or in other words flogging off future revenues from oil so they could spend the money now. Excuse me, but didn't Gordon Browne do that some years back, leaving us with a massive debt we are still trying to pay off. yes, but he's adamant he wants to do that within a union, apparently.
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Post by easteregg on Sept 12, 2014 18:54:17 GMT
Without getting too political I am amazed that some politicians do not understand economies of scale. It is only natural the prices would rise when fixed costs are divided by a smaller population. It is also quite logical for businesses where 90% of their customers are in England and Wales would want to relocate to where the majority of their customer and shareholder base are.
Unfortunately the Yes side seems to be driven by ideology and anything that doesn't support their view is portrayed as a Tory plot to keep Scotland within the union.
I hope that Scotland does choose to stay within the Union but if the vote is close then there will be calls from the Yes side to keep on having this vote until they get the answer they want.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Sept 12, 2014 19:28:33 GMT
Yep, that's the problem - the 'yes' side only have to win once, whereas 'no' has to be an ongoing agreement. They will doubtless keep trying every time there is a new excuse.
I still think it's a bit feeble that 'expat' (as far away as Carlisle or London) Scots don't get a vote, nor do the rest of the union have any say in the matter (we might not be eligible to force them to stay in, but we ought be entitled to decide we'd prefer they left) .. back on the marriage analogy, it seems the wife is not only offering bribes to keep the errant husband, but has no rights of her own if she doesn't want him after all ..
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Post by ilmoro on Sept 12, 2014 19:51:41 GMT
Yep, that's the problem - the 'yes' side only have to win once, whereas 'no' has to be an ongoing agreement. They will doubtless keep trying every time there is a new excuse. I still think it's a bit feeble that 'expat' (as far away as Carlisle or London) Scots don't get a vote, nor do the rest of the union have any say in the matter (we might not be eligible to force them to stay in, but we ought be entitled to decide we'd prefer they left) .. back on the marriage analogy, it seems the wife is not only offering bribes to keep the errant husband, but has no rights of her own if she doesn't want him after all .. Yes, Salmond keeps banging on about the democratic legitimacy of the vote, yet most of the Scottish troops apparently wont get a vote. That said if it is yes vote I expect most of them will opt to stay in the UK forces rather than transfer to the SDF (assume they will have similar right to serve that commonwealth troops have). Not seen anything on whether Salmond will be demanding the Scots Guards as part of the settlement. 
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Post by batchoy on Sept 12, 2014 20:08:06 GMT
Unfortunately the Yes side seems to be driven by ideology and anything that doesn't support their view is portrayed as a Tory plot to keep Scotland within the union. That should read: Unfortunately the Yes side seems to be driven by ideology and anything that doesn't support their view is portrayed as bullying and scaremongering. Personally I am split on the matter my head wants Scotland to remain part of the Union, but my heart really wants them to vote 'Yes' and for all Alex Salmond's chickens to come home to roost: no currency union with rUK, no EU membership, significant job losses as the navy dock yards and other military installations move south along with the HMRC, NS&I, large parts of the Banking and Financial sectors and other industries, rampant inflation as businesses put up the prices of goods to cover the spiraling costs as the SNP increase taxes to cover their promises and the spiraling welfare bills, and finally the oil and gas companies shutting down the North Sea Oilfields as they become uneconomic following a major grab on their operating profits. But whichever way it goes I have the dreadful feeling that we (rUK) will be sold down the river by the Westminster elite in any settlement and we will have no say in the matter.
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Post by rudry2677 on Sept 13, 2014 7:47:08 GMT
I certainly hope that the 'Yes' campaign fails as I believe the current Scottish leadership is hell bent on destruction. Imagine the scenario, far fetched but possible, should Scotland become independent, of the new government deciding to leave the EU and NATO, then leasing Faslane or RAF Leuchars to the Russians or Chinese. There is also the possibility of them remaining in the EU, slashing social security payments in order to encourage the needy to 'head south'. These suggestions would be offensive if they weren't so ludicrous. I quote "Greece, a NATO ally, is considering hosting a Chinese Naval base smack dab in the middle of the eastern Mediterranean. According to a recent report, the Prime Minister of Greece said that Crete could serve as a regional node for the support, maintenance and repair of the Chinese Navy and the possibility exists for joint naval operations between Greece and China’s People’s Liberation Army Navy. " Iceland is also considering similar options. My late father scoffed at the prospect of landing a man on the moon also that members of the UK Royal Family would ever divorce. Best keep head in the sand.
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Post by oldnick on Sept 13, 2014 8:46:54 GMT
Neither would our parents have believed that the UK might fragment so soon.
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Post by merlin on Sept 13, 2014 9:57:17 GMT
If you listened to Radio 4 around 8.30 am this morning you may have heard Jim Sillars (a former SNP deputy leader) talking about the day of reckoning that would follow a "Yes" vote. What said was, "This referendum is about power, and when we get a Yes majority we will use that power for a day of reckoning with BP and the banks." He went on to state that nationalisation would be the order of the day and any business threatening to move south with would face the consequences. His final chilling words were "What kind of people do these companies think we are? They will find out." He reminded me of the sort of statements that Hitler made in the 1930's.
Perhaps the mask has slipped and now we have had a glimpse of the real face of the "Yes" campaign and the SNP in particular.
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Post by phoenix on Sept 13, 2014 10:28:41 GMT
These suggestions would be offensive if they weren't so ludicrous. I quote "Greece, a NATO ally, is considering hosting a Chinese Naval base smack dab in the middle of the eastern Mediterranean. According to a recent report, the Prime Minister of Greece said that Crete could serve as a regional node for the support, maintenance and repair of the Chinese Navy and the possibility exists for joint naval operations between Greece and China’s People’s Liberation Army Navy. " Iceland is also considering similar options. My late father scoffed at the prospect of landing a man on the moon also that members of the UK Royal Family would ever divorce. Best keep head in the sand. Sorry, I thought you were talking about Scotland. I hereby bow out of this discussion, having plenty of rubbish to clear in real life without doing it online too. Let those who wish to, wallow. 
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Post by batchoy on Sept 13, 2014 10:56:03 GMT
If you listened to Radio 4 around 8.30 am this morning you may have heard Jim Sillars (a former SNP deputy leader) talking about the day of reckoning that would follow a "Yes" vote. What said was, "This referendum is about power, and when we get a Yes majority we will use that power for a day of reckoning with BP and the banks." He went on to state that nationalisation would be the order of the day and any business threatening to move south with would face the consequences. His final chilling words were "What kind of people do these companies think we are? They will find out." He reminded me of the sort of statements that Hitler made in the 1930's.
Perhaps the mask has slipped and now we have had a glimpse of the real face of the "Yes" campaign and the SNP in particular. The other thing he did was expose himself as someone prepared to spread miss-truths and extremism in order to get into the media. His opening statements were to the effect that if he had written a polite letter to the head of BP no one would have done a thing so he deliberately made his day of reckoning statements to get himself into the media, however in the following interview he never retracted his statements nor detailed what he meant by them.
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