ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Sept 15, 2014 17:03:36 GMT
Surely the criteria for defining a Scottish citizen are exactly the same as defining a British citizen? They have had 2 years to ensure a fair electorate and seemed to have failed miserably, possibly by design.
Prediction is 16-17 will vote NO in majority
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Post by batchoy on Sept 15, 2014 17:12:56 GMT
...namely that you are a British Citizen... That was exactly my point - there's no such thing as a "Scottish Citizen" (yet). But you are taking the quote out of context and should be 'a British Citizen registered to vote in Scotland no more than 15 years ago' which based on the current legal position for defining expat eligibility for parliamentary elections. Other trying to skew the result I see no reason why they did not have the same eligibility for voting as they do for a normal parliamentary election all be it with the restriction that registration and historic registration had to be in a Scottish constituency.
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mikes1531
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Post by mikes1531 on Sept 15, 2014 22:44:06 GMT
Just think about all those Americans who claim they're "Scotch"... Are you sure they don't mean they want to "claim their Scotch"? 
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Mike
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Post by Mike on Sept 16, 2014 6:04:09 GMT
Other trying to skew the result I see no reason why they did not have the same eligibility for voting as they do for a normal parliamentary election all be it with the restriction that registration and historic registration had to be in a Scottish constituency. Currently only 0.5% of Britons living abroad and eligible to register actually do so. It is a major hassle, and no doubt expense, to register and vote (you need to be very forward-thinking as the deadlines are well in advance of the UK elections). Also, the 15 year rule for ex-pats was a labour policy [2002], and Grant Shapps has declared it's abolition will be in the Tory manifesto for the next GE. For those concerned, some ex-pats have been emailed about the referendum by UK parties encouraging them to wield their influence back home and back a 'no' vote.
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Post by badersleg on Sept 16, 2014 11:55:03 GMT
I'm English, but currently live in Scotchland. The highlight of yesterdays 500 mile mind and buttock numbing journey was seeing the fake "passport control" set up at the border viewpoint.
I can't wait till Thursday, at least then people will stop putting leaflets through my door.
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Post by rudry2677 on Sept 19, 2014 6:24:47 GMT
Thank goodness for common sense. Unity = Strength. Great result even though Salmond is quoted as accepting the decision "at this stage". Another vote next year then?
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Post by elljay on Sept 19, 2014 6:27:56 GMT
Wonder how much the referendum cost.
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 19, 2014 7:30:09 GMT
Wonder how much the referendum cost. To all intents and purposes, its cost us a Union. Apparently we are now steaming ahead towards more of a federation. I like the way the Cameron and Darling et al are saying that Scotland voted for greater powers but not independence. Really ? In the event despite the question on the ballot paper they weren't offered the option of hte status quo. I wonder how many of those who voted now actually meant "yes please to more layers of government and local tax raising powers". We will never no.
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Post by merlin on Sept 19, 2014 8:51:04 GMT
A great victory for common sense but I don't much like all the promises being made about additional powers for Scotland and Wales plus now it appears England. The Welsh National Assembly cannot manage its way out of a paper bag and has made an excellent job of wrecking the Welsh Education system and the Welsh National Health Service so why in Gods name give them more things to *uck up!
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Post by batchoy on Sept 19, 2014 11:54:40 GMT
Wonder how much the referendum cost. To all intents and purposes, its cost us a Union. Apparently we are now steaming ahead towards more of a federation. I like the way the Cameron and Darling et al are saying that Scotland voted for greater powers but not independence. Really ? In the event despite the question on the ballot paper they weren't offered the option of hte status quo. I wonder how many of those who voted now actually meant "yes please to more layers of government and local tax raising powers". We will never no. For all that the three Westminster parties were against independence, and the Scots voted against independence (that's all they voted on) it would seem ConLabDems are intent of giving Scotland independence in all but name. Though as one of the pundits pointed out since they haven't been able to sort out the West Lothian Question in decades does anyone really believe that they are going to get it sorted out in the next three months as promised by Cameron when they are going to want to break up the loose coalition formed as part of the 'No' campaign on order to get a much clear water between themselves for the next election in 8 months time.
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Post by oldnick on Sept 19, 2014 13:24:30 GMT
Thank goodness for common sense. Unity = Strength. Great result even though Salmond is quoted as accepting the decision "at this stage". Another vote next year then? Cameron was quick to turn Salmond's own words on him this morning when he said "as Mr. Salmond said - this has been a once in a lifetime opportunity to express the will of the Scottish people". Perhaps the next referendum on the break up of the Union should be exclusively for its majority shareholders - the English.
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merlin
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Post by merlin on Sept 19, 2014 14:06:51 GMT
Did anyone really believe Cameron's promises of new legislation by March. Yes I am sure they will come along with whole package of ideas but they will make sure that Labour wont support them. Then come the general election in May they will continuously point out the Labour was responsible for stopping further devolution from Westminster. Come on Cameron who's kidding who?
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Post by niceguy37 on Sept 19, 2014 14:25:35 GMT
I'm just glad all the expense and drama of a break-up is avoided.
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Post by chielamangus on Sept 19, 2014 15:56:56 GMT
Prediction is 16-17 will vote NO in majority Ahem! Were you never a rebel? 71 per cent of this age group voted YES, apparently - presumably derived from a survey, not the results. And quite predictable, as Salmond knew and Cameron never thought about. If you get on the Twittersphere the Nationalists are blaming the "Aulds" for voting NO. People with no future screwing it up for everyone else! Quite an atmosphere there, quite vitriolic. I think I would have had my head knocked off if they could have found me.
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Post by chielamangus on Sept 19, 2014 16:02:55 GMT
Currently only 0.5% of Britons living abroad and eligible to register actually do so. It is a major hassle, and no doubt expense, to register and vote (you need to be very forward-thinking as the deadlines are well in advance of the UK elections). More likely they have other priorities. It is no hassle and you can email periodic registration forms sent to you on renewal. And it'll cost you just a stamp and 10 minutes of your time the first time you register - and a stamp to vote. Hardly a barrier.
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