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Post by r00lish67 on Nov 28, 2018 21:31:01 GMT
Although it's clearly a terrifying concept, excluding the ERG mob no-one in Parliament really believes that scenario could possibly be permitted through, and even they probably know deep down it could never pass. Given the recent court ruling advising that they could rescind article 50 unilaterally (although politically hugely embarrassing) it never has to come to that stage. ECJ hasn't agreed though and the EU is arguing it can't and would bring down the EU ... so my money's on the ruling being against Fair point. It was posted on social media, and described on the good Law project, but it does appear they're somewhat jumping the gun there, or perhaps I've misinterpreted it. My apologies. I still think arriving at an ultimate no-deal is highly unlikely, although not impossible unfortunately. From what I've read, the barrier to at least extending article 50 is very much a domestic one rather than the EU having a problem with it.
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Post by ilmoro on Nov 28, 2018 21:33:18 GMT
ECJ hasn't agreed though and the EU is arguing it can't and would bring down the EU ... so my money's on the ruling being against Fair point. It was posted on social media, and described on the good Law project, but it does appear they're somewhat jumping the gun there, or perhaps I've misinterpreted it. My apologies. I still think arriving at an ultimate no-deal is highly unlikely, although not impossible unfortunately. From what I've read, the barrier to at least extending article 50 is very much a domestic one rather than the EU having a problem with it. EU have said extension would only be allowed if a second referendum was to happen AIUI
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Post by r00lish67 on Nov 28, 2018 21:36:07 GMT
Fair point. It was posted on social media, and described on the good Law project, but it does appear they're somewhat jumping the gun there, or perhaps I've misinterpreted it. My apologies. I still think arriving at an ultimate no-deal is highly unlikely, although not impossible unfortunately. From what I've read, the barrier to at least extending article 50 is very much a domestic one rather than the EU having a problem with it. EU have said extension would only be allowed if a second referendum was to happen AIUI Yeah, that's the minor domestic issue we have to resolve first edit: I hope I'm not coming across as thinking that a further referendum is a foregone conclusion. One of the most convincing arguments I've seen recently suggests that actually no one outcome after the meaningful vote actually looks particularly likely to happen, for a variety of reasons. So we're bound for the unlikely - it might as well be the unlikely I want to happen!
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Post by carolus on Nov 28, 2018 23:12:40 GMT
Fair point. It was posted on social media, and described on the good Law project, but it does appear they're somewhat jumping the gun there, or perhaps I've misinterpreted it. My apologies. I still think arriving at an ultimate no-deal is highly unlikely, although not impossible unfortunately. From what I've read, the barrier to at least extending article 50 is very much a domestic one rather than the EU having a problem with it. EU have said extension would only be allowed if a second referendum was to happen AIUI The EU is generally very good at figuring out ways for things to work if they want them to. The key thing politically seems to be that it would be a "sincere" revocation/extension - either for a particular purpose like a general election/second referendum or just abandoning the whole shooting match. What they, naturally, don't want is for it to be abused just to reset the clock on negotiations etc.
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Post by jjc on Nov 29, 2018 0:18:33 GMT
The EU is generally very good at figuring out ways for things to work if they want them to. The key thing politically seems to be that it would be a "sincere" revocation/extension - either for a particular purpose like a general election/second referendum or just abandoning the whole shooting match. What they, naturally, don't want is for it to be abused just to reset the clock on negotiations etc.
Agree with most of that, but the fact of the matter aiui (which that Good Law project seems to have missed) is that the Commission's & Council's lawyers yesterday strongly argued for Art 50 not being revocable without unanimous agreement from all member states. Remember the 2Y Art 50 fixed term when added to a cumbersome withdrawal "negotiation" process is a powerful tool against errant EU states. If they were to allow unilateral irrevocability it opens up the door for any member state to leverage Art 50 for its own ends as & when they wish, only to pull back once they've got what they wanted.
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Post by r00lish67 on Dec 1, 2018 0:08:59 GMT
Another minister resigns and another significant financial cost of Brexit emerges to the spotlight as we now endeavour to build our own damn satellite.
More fuel to Leavers saying that the EU is stitching us up. More fuel to Remainers saying we're now building a totally redundant satellite at great cost.
Theresa's deal looking decidedly even emptier on fuel than it was. And even before this, the gauge was already into the little red bit where you start to get panicky whilst assuring yourself that they always build in a bit extra.
Any bets on how quickly the £92m we've apparently set aside to cover our replacement system will expand? That doesn't sound much to me - cue actual experts coming up with figures twice as high, at least..
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Post by carolus on Dec 1, 2018 10:18:57 GMT
Any bets on how quickly the £92m we've apparently set aside to cover our replacement system will expand? That doesn't sound much to me - cue actual experts coming up with figures twice as high, at least.. Lots of stories mentioning that all of the appropriate radio frequencies have been allocated to other countries already, so there's literally no way for this to work no matter how much we spend on it. Even if this wasn't a fatal issue, the numbers for a replacement system look like £5bn+.
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Post by r00lish67 on Dec 1, 2018 15:06:33 GMT
Any bets on how quickly the £92m we've apparently set aside to cover our replacement system will expand? That doesn't sound much to me - cue actual experts coming up with figures twice as high, at least.. Lots of stories mentioning that all of the appropriate radio frequencies have been allocated to other countries already, so there's literally no way for this to work no matter how much we spend on it. Even if this wasn't a fatal issue, the numbers for a replacement system look like £5bn+. Can't say I'm surprised, well maybe a bit if the £5bn is true! The various mini-sagas of this absolute farce seem to mostly play out this way. 1) Huge problem with Brexit identified 2) Huge problem brushed aside by highly implausible plan drawn on fag packet in the darker recesses of no.10. 3) Highly implausible plan utterly destroyed by range of people who know what they're talking about, and immediately disseminated to anyone who cares via twitter. 4) Government has huge egg on face, but is so covered in egg already that it really doesn't matter. 5) Move on to next huge problem.
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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 1, 2018 15:32:57 GMT
Any bets on how quickly the £92m we've apparently set aside to cover our replacement system will expand? That doesn't sound much to me - cue actual experts coming up with figures twice as high, at least.. £92m has been set aside to INVESTIGATE what to do instead. That number is not even going to be the tip of the tip of the iceberg.
The US system is 24+ satellites ? Galilleo is going to be 30.
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Post by r00lish67 on Dec 1, 2018 15:53:07 GMT
Any bets on how quickly the £92m we've apparently set aside to cover our replacement system will expand? That doesn't sound much to me - cue actual experts coming up with figures twice as high, at least.. £92m has been set aside to INVESTIGATE what to do instead. That number is not even going to be the tip of the tip of the iceberg.
The US system is 24+ satellites ? Galilleo is going to be 30.
Thanks for the disturbing clarification. Well, I'm glad we have this so well covered. I guess it's just a case of slicing off a thin wedge of the whopping Brexit dividend cake to cater for it.
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Post by captainconfident on Dec 1, 2018 16:04:06 GMT
You bunch of snowflakes! Where is your Can Do spirit? Don't you believe in Britain? Who needs trade when we can make it ourselves? Of course if we leave without a plan the first few months will be a bit rocky, but Britain will bash through and soon be in the sunny uplands. All that's needed is answers to the few Remoaner points raised here theconversation.com/no-deal-seven-reasons-why-a-wto-only-brexit-would-be-bad-for-britain-102009and we'll be back to the glory days with no Brussels Bureaucrats to hold us back! Go Dr Fox! Tariff free Marmite for every Burkino Facian. Or Upper Volta, as we should resume calling it.
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Post by travolta on Dec 1, 2018 20:06:27 GMT
Time to cut loose. Sadly that fat cats with their fingers in pies will not let us . Please email your MP and tell him your voting choice. Just so they are in no doubt. AND what do you think Europe will do IF they lose our market . WE are living in saturated fat world of unreal subsidy and silly grants . Time to get lean an real. Anyone want a cheap deal out of the back of a melting fridge truck on the lorry lane outside Dover?
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Post by carolus on Dec 1, 2018 23:33:32 GMT
AND what do you think Europe will do IF they lose our market . Move on, swiftly.
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Post by Godanubis on Dec 2, 2018 13:44:07 GMT
Time to cut loose. Sadly that fat cats with their fingers in pies will not let us . Please email your MP and tell him your voting choice. Just so they are in no doubt. AND what do you think Europe will do IF they lose our market . WE are living in saturated fat world of unreal subsidy and silly grants . Time to get lean an real. Anyone want a cheap deal out of the back of a melting fridge truck on the lorry lane outside Dover? There would be nothing left in the truck. The resident migrants would have eaten it all if it had just come in from France 🇫🇷
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Post by ilmoro on Dec 2, 2018 19:23:10 GMT
Time to cut loose. Sadly that fat cats with their fingers in pies will not let us . Please email your MP and tell him your voting choice. Just so they are in no doubt. AND what do you think Europe will do IF they lose our market . WE are living in saturated fat world of unreal subsidy and silly grants . Time to get lean an real. Anyone want a cheap deal out of the back of a melting fridge truck on the lorry lane outside Dover? There would be nothing left in the truck. The resident migrants would have eaten it all if it had just come in from France 🇫🇷 would have been set on fire by a bloke in a yellow vest before it left France
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