Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on Dec 2, 2018 20:02:12 GMT
There would be nothing left in the truck. The resident migrants would have eaten it all if it had just come in from France 🇫🇷 would have been set on fire by a bloke in a yellow vest before it left France Yes the French seem to be a tad more interactive than the snowflakes of the U.K. Perhaps we could have a more engaged but restrained reaction to pressing matters. Cucumber sandwiches 🥪 at dawn.
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Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on Dec 7, 2018 1:07:19 GMT
Well at least we can see not everything is Brexit’s fault. Stock markets in free fall and it’s nothing to do with Brexit .
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Post by travolta on Dec 8, 2018 18:42:59 GMT
Well at least we can see not everything is Brexit’s fault. Stock markets in free fall and it’s nothing to do with Brexit . Buy in opportunity now, unless all your disposable income is in Collateral/Lendy/Asscap&co
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Post by carolus on Dec 10, 2018 9:09:26 GMT
ECJ hasn't agreed though and the EU is arguing it can't and would bring down the EU ... so my money's on the ruling being against Fair point. It was posted on social media, and described on the good Law project, but it does appear they're somewhat jumping the gun there, or perhaps I've misinterpreted it. My apologies. I still think arriving at an ultimate no-deal is highly unlikely, although not impossible unfortunately. From what I've read, the barrier to at least extending article 50 is very much a domestic one rather than the EU having a problem with it. Fortunately, your gun-jumping was correct!
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Post by r00lish67 on Dec 10, 2018 13:52:38 GMT
Fair point. It was posted on social media, and described on the good Law project, but it does appear they're somewhat jumping the gun there, or perhaps I've misinterpreted it. My apologies. I still think arriving at an ultimate no-deal is highly unlikely, although not impossible unfortunately. From what I've read, the barrier to at least extending article 50 is very much a domestic one rather than the EU having a problem with it. Fortunately, your gun-jumping was correct! Dare to dream..... Theresa @ 3.30pm " My Deal has been deemed a pile of dung. The No Deal that I said for months would be better than my deal..is worse than my deal. Norway doesn't want us. Canada+++ is a BoJo Narnia fantasy. Asking the electorate again I perversely view as undemocratic, so I am just done with the whole thing. So, I've decided, I'll just revoke article 50 tomorrow and we can all go home. Oh, and I popped a couple of cyanide pills into Jeremy Corbyn's apple juice on my way out to make this speech. It was in the national interest. Merry Christmas!"
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Post by captainconfident on Dec 10, 2018 18:53:42 GMT
As the Prime Minister's deal is "the only deal", she should put it to the country in a referendum if she doesn't dare to put it to our elected representatives. She has to get it passed by one or the other. She is playing for time, hoping for some other outcome than being written off in history as a failure. Time to admit that the National Interest is not simply keeping her in her job.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Dec 10, 2018 19:02:41 GMT
As the Prime Minister's deal is "the only deal", she should put it to the country in a referendum if she doesn't dare to put it to our elected representatives. She has to get it passed by one or the other. She is playing for time, hoping for some other outcome than being written off in history as a failure. Time to admit that the National Interest is not simply keeping her in her job. No she has to get it passed only one, HoC, as per the Withdrawal Bill A referendum may assist this but given many MPs haven't accept the result of the previous 2 referendum not guaranteed & an expensive/time consuming exercise. Yes, the National Interest is not simply keeping her in her job, it's keeping Jezza out of it, so the two are synonymous to some extent.
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Post by captainconfident on Dec 10, 2018 19:11:40 GMT
As the Prime Minister's deal is "the only deal", she should put it to the country in a referendum if she doesn't dare to put it to our elected representatives. She has to get it passed by one or the other. She is playing for time, hoping for some other outcome than being written off in history as a failure. Time to admit that the National Interest is not simply keeping her in her job. No she has to get it passed only one, HoC, as per the Withdrawal Bill A referendum may assist this but given many MPs haven't accept the result of the previous 2 referendum not guaranteed & an expensive/time consuming exercise. Yes, the National Interest is not simply keeping her in her job, it's keeping Jezza out of it, so the two are synonymous to some extent. I don't think so, the referendum also has to be mandated by the HOC, and if the Government moved the bill for one, they would likely get that through, and this would supersede the Withdrawal Bill. The PM Jezza threat is negated by the 5-Yr. Parliament act, so the election is in 2022. This other matter needs to be dealt with now.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Dec 10, 2018 19:23:50 GMT
No she has to get it passed only one, HoC, as per the Withdrawal Bill A referendum may assist this but given many MPs haven't accept the result of the previous 2 referendum not guaranteed & an expensive/time consuming exercise. Yes, the National Interest is not simply keeping her in her job, it's keeping Jezza out of it, so the two are synonymous to some extent. I don't think so, the referendum also has to be mandated by the HOC, and if the Government moved the bill for one, they would likely get that through, and this would supersede the Withdrawal Bill. The PM Jezza threat is negated by the 5-Yr. Parliament act, so the election is in 2022. This other matter needs to be dealt with now. Legislation isn't superseded it has to repealed or amended but that could be part of a referendum bill but would unlikely pass given the strength of MPs belief that Parliament has to ratify any deal. Losing a vote of no confidence/ lose a confidence vote would lead to a Labour govt or most likely a general eection
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Post by captainconfident on Dec 10, 2018 19:34:44 GMT
would supersede the Withdrawal Bill. Sorry, would supercede the house of commons vote on the "deal" which was never put.
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Post by IFISAcava on Dec 10, 2018 21:25:37 GMT
As the Prime Minister's deal is "the only deal", she should put it to the country in a referendum if she doesn't dare to put it to our elected representatives. She has to get it passed by one or the other. She is playing for time, hoping for some other outcome than being written off in history as a failure. Time to admit that the National Interest is not simply keeping her in her job. There's a reason she won't call a referendum: the will of the people UK, YouGov poll: Scenario: Remain vs. May Deal Remain: 62% (+12) Leave: 38% (-12) Fieldwork: 6-7 December 2018
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Post by cb25 on Dec 11, 2018 9:23:18 GMT
Regardless of what happens with this deal and whether we stay/leave the EU, I think the Conservatives will be out of power for some time starting with the next election. Could well see people voting for more extreme parties on the right. At least those who like big state, be it the EU or Labour, will be happy.
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Post by dandy on Dec 11, 2018 9:45:02 GMT
I think they will find some new wording over the backstop and the deal will get voted through eventually ... nothing else seems even vaguely plausible or desirable. Even if it is just to keep the communists out. Seriously!!!
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Post by cb25 on Dec 11, 2018 9:52:00 GMT
I think they will find some new wording over the backstop and the deal will get voted through eventually ... Doubt that'll happen.
Best May/EU can hope is to say "trust us, the deal doesn't really mean what is says in black and white, please sign". Not going to happen. Even if there were a second referendum (which would cause a huge distrust in the political system and destruction of the Tories), wouldn't happen by next March.
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Post by dandy on Dec 11, 2018 10:03:00 GMT
I think they will find some new wording over the backstop and the deal will get voted through eventually ... Doubt that'll happen.
Best May/EU can hope is to say "trust us, the deal doesn't really mean what is says in black and white, please sign". Not going to happen. Even if there were a second referendum (which would cause a huge distrust in the political system and destruction of the Tories), wouldn't happen by next March.
Or how about Donald Tusk's "but we are ready to discuss how to facilitate UK ratification" - it is all about wording and egos at the end of the day. Luckily we are using "English" - we have a lot of descriptive yet flakey words that can be used As for a second referendum, there is slim chance of that imo - no one is even going to agree on the question, let alone the answer!!
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