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Post by martin44 on Nov 28, 2018 0:48:46 GMT
Mr krispin blunt has been pointed out because his constituency voted leave, and he has stated that should his in box be filled with request's for him to back the pm's deal .. he will vote against it, and as you have stated, "Thus, I would expect all MPs to make the decisions that they believe best serve not just their own voters, but their constituency" That's some truly remarkable editing you've managed there. My full statement was "to make decisions that they believe best serve not just their own voters, but their constituency and the country as a whole." Again, in case you misunderstood, I do not believe MPs should believe themselves bound my "the will of the people", be they in their own constituency, or others.
You also, as far as I can tell, appear to have missed the fact that "Krispin Blunt" (still sic) is voting against the deal is because he believes it is not a hard enough Brexit. there was no need for editing, you made the statement................. , i will therefore state your last comment " and the country as a whole" the country voted leave , there is no misunderstanding.
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Post by carolus on Nov 28, 2018 0:54:04 GMT
That's some truly remarkable editing you've managed there. My full statement was "to make decisions that they believe best serve not just their own voters, but their constituency and the country as a whole." Again, in case you misunderstood, I do not believe MPs should believe themselves bound my "the will of the people", be they in their own constituency, or others.
You also, as far as I can tell, appear to have missed the fact that "Krispin Blunt" (still sic) is voting against the deal is because he believes it is not a hard enough Brexit. there was no need for editing, you made the statement................. , i will therefore state your last comment " and the country as a whole" the country voted leave , there is no misunderstanding. You selectively quoted half of a sentence in order to try and make your point stronger, and to try and ignore the wider context of my sentence. If I quoted your last message as "there was no need for... leave", I'm sure you would be similarly unhappy.
You've also chosen to ignore my point that they should act in the best interests of the country, and as I explicitly said, this need not coincide with the purported "will of the people", in either their contituency or the country.
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Post by martin44 on Nov 28, 2018 1:11:59 GMT
there was no need for editing, you made the statement................. , i will therefore state your last comment " and the country as a whole" the country voted leave , there is no misunderstanding. You selectively quoted half of a sentence in order to try and make your point stronger, and to try and ignore the wider context of my sentence. If I quoted your last message as "there was no need for... leave", I'm sure you would be similarly unhappy.
You've also chosen to ignore my point that they should act in the best interests of the country, and as I explicitly said, this need not coincide with the purported "will of the people", in either their contituency or the country. in actual fact, i quoted all your sentence ... which was factually wrong... in answer to your point (last sentence) they should answer first in the best interests of their constituents, otherwise they should resign, mp's are voted in to represent their constituents and NOT the will of the country as a whole
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Post by Godanubis on Nov 28, 2018 1:46:01 GMT
The cry now is a people’s vote .... In otherwords let’s do it again till we get a different result.
I note Tony Blair says that even though the result was clear last time we should vote again and if the result is changed even by tiny majority then that should stand and never be allowed to be questioned for a generation.
Everybody says TM will loose the vote. Nobody offers an alternative except to say try again when EU says this is the last chance.
Keep on going back and forth it will be too late soon and we will be out under WTO rules and we will learn to live with it.
Politicians are only interested in their own careers and any MP that votes against the wishes of their constituents should be removed.
I think we will find if labour support a people’s vote their support in the north will collapse and in any general elections no party will have a majority and no coalition would be possible and there will be chaos.
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Post by cb25 on Nov 28, 2018 11:53:18 GMT
Everybody says TM will loose the vote. Nobody offers an alternative except to say try again when EU says this is the last chance. The Sun suggests she'll lose by anything up to 200 votes. BBC suggests she's 70 votes short.
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Post by Steerpike on Nov 28, 2018 12:00:37 GMT
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Post by carolus on Nov 28, 2018 12:55:46 GMT
Everybody says TM will loose the vote. Nobody offers an alternative except to say try again when EU says this is the last chance. The Sun suggests she'll lose by anything up to 200 votes. BBC suggests she's 70 votes short.
I wonder if the reason for the big difference between those two numbers is that one is the difference between votes for and against, and one is the number of MPs that would need to change their vote for her to win. The former would be twice the latter and then the two numbers start to align. This also matches fairly well with the number of MPs who have stated positions. Of course, there are also quite a few MPs who haven't decided/stated, hence the "up to".
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Post by r00lish67 on Nov 28, 2018 14:30:30 GMT
love it...Did you see the Alan B*stard sketch doing the rounds yesterday? To think that that used to be what counted as humour once, rather than a mainstream political angle.
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Post by Steerpike on Nov 28, 2018 15:06:50 GMT
love it...Did you see the Alan B*stard sketch doing the rounds yesterday? To think that that used to be what counted as humour once, rather than a mainstream political angle. Euroblivion - countries that gave us H*tler, the M*fia, and the Smurfs...marvellous writing.
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Post by Monetus on Nov 28, 2018 17:01:32 GMT
"Pound would crash, economy shrink and inflation soar under no deal Brexit, says Bank of England
The Bank of England has warned the pound would crash, inflation will soar and interest rates would have to rise in the event of a no deal disorderly Brexit.
In the event of a disorderly no deal, no transition Brexit, Britain’s GDP could fall by 8% from its level in the first quarter of 2019, according to analysis of a worst case scenario by the Bank.
The unemployment rate would rise 7.5% and inflation would surge 6.5%. House prices are forecast to decline 30%, while commercial property prices are set to fall 48%. The pound would fall by 25% to less than parity against both the US dollar and the euro."
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Post by carolus on Nov 28, 2018 17:16:40 GMT
"Pound would crash, economy shrink and inflation soar under no deal Brexit, says Bank of England
The Bank of England has warned the pound would crash, inflation will soar and interest rates would have to rise in the event of a no deal disorderly Brexit. In the event of a disorderly no deal, no transition Brexit, Britain’s GDP could fall by 8% from its level in the first quarter of 2019, according to analysis of a worst case scenario by the Bank. The unemployment rate would rise 7.5% and inflation would surge 6.5%. House prices are forecast to decline 30%, while commercial property prices are set to fall 48%. The pound would fall by 25% to less than parity against both the US dollar and the euro." Truly sunlit uplands, indeed.
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Post by r00lish67 on Nov 28, 2018 17:17:31 GMT
"Pound would crash, economy shrink and inflation soar under no deal Brexit, says Bank of England
The Bank of England has warned the pound would crash, inflation will soar and interest rates would have to rise in the event of a no deal disorderly Brexit. In the event of a disorderly no deal, no transition Brexit, Britain’s GDP could fall by 8% from its level in the first quarter of 2019, according to analysis of a worst case scenario by the Bank. The unemployment rate would rise 7.5% and inflation would surge 6.5%. House prices are forecast to decline 30%, while commercial property prices are set to fall 48%. The pound would fall by 25% to less than parity against both the US dollar and the euro." Although it's clearly a terrifying concept, excluding the ERG mob no-one in Parliament really believes that scenario could possibly be permitted through, and even they probably know deep down it could never pass. Given the recent court ruling advising that they could rescind article 50 unilaterally (although politically hugely embarrassing) it never has to come to that stage. Still, it's good that we can see this in black and white. What concerns me more about the stats released today is that the negative economic forecast based upon May's deal is still one loaded to the teeth with huge questionable assumptions about what the EU might allow us to have in the forthcoming trade negotiation. The negotiation where we've already given up any of the bargaining power we had. Let's just hope that insufficient numbers of MP's can be bought, bribed, or blackmailed. Edit: corrected the above due to Ilmoro's point below.
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Post by Ace on Nov 28, 2018 17:47:08 GMT
"Pound would crash, economy shrink and inflation soar under no deal Brexit, says Bank of England
The Bank of England has warned the pound would crash, inflation will soar and interest rates would have to rise in the event of a no deal disorderly Brexit. In the event of a disorderly no deal, no transition Brexit, Britain’s GDP could fall by 8% from its level in the first quarter of 2019, according to analysis of a worst case scenario by the Bank. The unemployment rate would rise 7.5% and inflation would surge 6.5%. House prices are forecast to decline 30%, while commercial property prices are set to fall 48%. The pound would fall by 25% to less than parity against both the US dollar and the euro." Truly sunlit uplands, indeed. Sounds like a breeze compared to what would happen if JC were to get elected! 😱 It's tin-hat on and computer off for a few hours for me 😌
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Post by michaelc on Nov 28, 2018 18:01:49 GMT
"Pound would crash, economy shrink and inflation soar under no deal Brexit, says Bank of England
The Bank of England has warned the pound would crash, inflation will soar and interest rates would have to rise in the event of a no deal disorderly Brexit. In the event of a disorderly no deal, no transition Brexit, Britain’s GDP could fall by 8% from its level in the first quarter of 2019, according to analysis of a worst case scenario by the Bank. The unemployment rate would rise 7.5% and inflation would surge 6.5%. House prices are forecast to decline 30%, while commercial property prices are set to fall 48%. The pound would fall by 25% to less than parity against both the US dollar and the euro." That prediction sounds familiar.
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Post by ilmoro on Nov 28, 2018 20:41:54 GMT
"Pound would crash, economy shrink and inflation soar under no deal Brexit, says Bank of England
The Bank of England has warned the pound would crash, inflation will soar and interest rates would have to rise in the event of a no deal disorderly Brexit. In the event of a disorderly no deal, no transition Brexit, Britain’s GDP could fall by 8% from its level in the first quarter of 2019, according to analysis of a worst case scenario by the Bank. The unemployment rate would rise 7.5% and inflation would surge 6.5%. House prices are forecast to decline 30%, while commercial property prices are set to fall 48%. The pound would fall by 25% to less than parity against both the US dollar and the euro." Although it's clearly a terrifying concept, excluding the ERG mob no-one in Parliament really believes that scenario could possibly be permitted through, and even they probably know deep down it could never pass. Given the recent court ruling advising that they could rescind article 50 unilaterally (although politically hugely embarrassing) it never has to come to that stage. ECJ hasn't agreed though and the EU is arguing it can't and would bring down the EU ... so my money's on the ruling being against
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