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Post by Steerpike on Feb 1, 2019 20:30:04 GMT
Sorry I didn't respond earlier, but I was busy writing software that enables exports from the UK to New Zealand, I do most of my programming from home and I have flexibility with my working hours. Your interest in my personal circumstances is starting to get a little but creepy. Your answer encapsulates the tragedy of moving from the seamless, borderless Single Market arrangement with countries on our doorstep to the special software required from a bedroom freelancer, tenuous relationship with countries half a globe away with 1% if the population of the EU. Golly Cap'n Curious is still digging, no I am not a freelancer, not in a bedroom, the export system has been in use for some years, I am just adding features, and the relationship is not tenuous. There are 288,187 customers on the DB, the most common male forename is David and the most common female forename is Sarah. It is not clear to me why trading non food products with a country outside the EU implies a long term threat to buying onions from The Netherlands. I am flattered that you call my NZ software special though, I've written better.
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Post by james100 on Feb 1, 2019 20:41:26 GMT
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Post by travolta on Feb 1, 2019 21:18:46 GMT
Your tragedy (and I feel your pain ,and that of the BBC ,if they didn't bang on about it so much) is that you feel you have something to lose, where as we have it all to gain. I think you misunderstand. I'm a Belgian now and my company is in NL. Ik ben een anderen taal an het leren. I have discovered that I now have a really lovely, stirring National Anthem. I can move to and live in any other EU country I like and my passport will let me cruise effortlessly through all borders, including the UK. I couldn't be happier. However, I don't have any reservations in calling out the airy bullshit with which people who want to leave the EU dismiss the long term harm that any objective person would perceive is about to occur to the jobs and standards of living in the country I love. Au contraire, I perceive you as someone who is just discovering experiences and justifiably full of themselves, yet still ignorant of life's variety. We were effortlessly globe trotting long before the EU existed and trade was adventurous and various , not governed by layers hidebound bureaucracy. Look over the top of the dike and you will see that the world is not a flat , middle class enclave . There are hills and valleys and things to learn .
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Post by travolta on Feb 1, 2019 21:31:31 GMT
You reckon we will have enough to produce all that? I'm off on up the hill on my quad bike 2moro am to collect my weekly tonne. All the small farmers in my valley voted no deal and have no trouble suppling local markets , its only agribusiness that's squirming and who needs it? Kingsmill?
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Post by agent69 on Feb 1, 2019 22:06:35 GMT
Unless you are trying to tell Ireland what to do I'm not telling anyone what to do, I'm just saying there are other options. The EU wan't to split NI off from the rest of the UK, but it would be just as easy to split the republic off from the rest of the EU. As a compromise how about you have a customs border around the whole of Ireland, with customs checks on what the UK send to NI, and similar checks on what the EU send to the republic. Once on the island all goods can freely move across the border.
There's no reason why our relationshoip with the republic needs to be the same as the rest of the EU.
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Post by travolta on Feb 1, 2019 22:17:10 GMT
Unless you are trying to tell Ireland what to do I'm not telling anyone what to do, I'm just saying there are other options. The EU wan't to split NI off from the rest of the UK, but it would be just as easy to split the republic off from the rest of the EU. As a compromise how about you have a customs border around the whole of Ireland, with customs checks on what the UK send to NI, and similar checks on what the EU send to the republic. Once on the island all goods can freely move across the border.
There's no reason why our relationshoip with the republic needs to be the same as the rest of the EU.
Because Ireland is two different nations Eire and Northern Ireland and although they are great mates ,they also like to fight over it . 80% of stuff is smuggled over anyhow. After a few years of official queuing at Dundalk and sneaking across at Crossmaglen ,both sides will come to an official agreement. Besides we wont have to conform with tedious EU dictates made by Bretons to measure cucumbers.
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Post by registerme on Feb 1, 2019 22:55:20 GMT
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Post by IFISAcava on Feb 2, 2019 0:25:11 GMT
Unless you are trying to tell Ireland what to do I'm not telling anyone what to do, I'm just saying there are other options. The EU wan't to split NI off from the rest of the UK, but it would be just as easy to split the republic off from the rest of the EU. As a compromise how about you have a customs border around the whole of Ireland, with customs checks on what the UK send to NI, and similar checks on what the EU send to the republic. Once on the island all goods can freely move across the border.
There's no reason why our relationshoip with the republic needs to be the same as the rest of the EU.
In terms of customs relationships - yes there is. It's called the customs union. Oh, and ask the DUP about customs checks between the UK and NI.
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 2, 2019 8:51:00 GMT
As a piece of light relief, and also highly educational, This Week was required viewing again this time with Ken Livingstone who did a piece to camera defending the Maduro regime in Venezuela and then gets pecked to pieces, all over the floor. I have difficulty understanding Jeremy Corbyn and his like minded Old-Lefters at the best of times, and Ken here provides some keys to understanding their thinking. That it is unbendingly fixed on a Good v/ Evil, Socialist v/ Imperialist plane. But the facts, dear boy. Yet again, the lesson is clear. At least read the whole Wikipedia page before you debate with Andrew Neill. www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW5TnrthrC0If you didn't see this, you won't regret it, the full 17 minutes of dogma versus the real world.
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Post by agent69 on Feb 2, 2019 10:09:27 GMT
In terms of customs relationships - yes there is. It's called the customs union. Oh, and ask the DUP about customs checks between the UK and NI. There's no law against changing how the EU operates the customs union on the island of Ireland (only obstacle is intransigent EU officials). How do you think the other 26 EU nations feel about the possibility of their trade with the UK being disrupted just because Ireland aren't prepared to be more flexible.
I suspect that the DUP would be happier with a customs border around the whole of Ireland rather than just the north. However, if DUP support for the deal was the only impediment to avoiding a hard brexit, you might well find enough Labour MP's would support it to make the DUP irrelevant. I find the DUP attitude to the south a bit hypocritical. If they want the benfits of no border maybe they should just join the south.
As for the GFA, I assume the clue is in the name? (it's just an agreement, in the same way that the DUP currently agree to support the government). If the possibility of the UK leaving the EU wasn't contemplated when the agreement was drawn up, maybe we need to revisit it and bring it up to date?
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 2, 2019 11:24:48 GMT
All the small farmers in my valley voted no deal and have no trouble suppling local markets , its only agribusiness that's squirming and who needs it? Kingsmill?
Here is the typical "I'm all right Jack" attitude. With your subsidies and your income from local sales, you'll be fine. Screw the companies in the industry which pay taxes to keep the country running and the jobs of the people who work in them 'cos yeah, you'll be alright. The sum of this type of selfishness is Brexit. The feeling that with your comfortable pension, private wealth or self sufficiency, even if the dream of half remembered Empire turn out badly, you're one of life's winners.
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Post by IFISAcava on Feb 2, 2019 11:33:44 GMT
In terms of customs relationships - yes there is. It's called the customs union. Oh, and ask the DUP about customs checks between the UK and NI. There's no law against changing how the EU operates the customs union on the island of Ireland (only obstacle is intransigent EU officials). How do you think the other 26 EU nations feel about the possibility of their trade with the UK being disrupted just because Ireland aren't prepared to be more flexible.
I suspect that the DUP would be happier with a customs border around the whole of Ireland rather than just the north. However, if DUP support for the deal was the only impediment to avoiding a hard brexit, you might well find enough Labour MP's would support it to make the DUP irrelevant. I find the DUP attitude to the south a bit hypocritical. If they want the benfits of no border maybe they should just join the south.
As for the GFA, I assume the clue is in the name? (it's just an agreement, in the same way that the DUP currently agree to support the government). If the possibility of the UK leaving the EU wasn't contemplated when the agreement was drawn up, maybe we need to revisit it and bring it up to date?
It's just an "agreement" that was overwhelmingly supported in two referendums (71% and 94% in favour), so that makes it the will of the people that can't be revisited, no?
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Post by travolta on Feb 2, 2019 12:49:04 GMT
Here is the typical "I'm all right Jack" attitude. With your subsidies and your income from local sales, you'll be fine. Screw the companies in the industry which pay taxes to keep the country running and the jobs of the people who work in them 'cos yeah, you'll be alright. The sum of this type of selfishness is Brexit. The feeling that with your comfortable pension, private wealth or self sufficiency, even if the dream of half remembered Empire turn out badly, you're one of life's winners.Gosh ,you have no idea what most people have to do to make a living, beyond hitting keys on a computer
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Post by aju on Feb 2, 2019 16:28:28 GMT
Your answer encapsulates the tragedy of moving from the seamless, borderless Single Market arrangement with countries on our doorstep to the special software required, tenuous relationship with countries half a globe away with 1% if the population of the EU. Perhaps we could export English Lamb to New Zealand! I reckon that we could do one better than that and export imported NZ lamb back to New zealand, if we let the politicians sort the mess out then I'd be surprised if we are not already doing that.
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Post by registerme on Feb 3, 2019 12:13:02 GMT
Nissan has just confirmed that its new SUV won't be made in Sunderland. For sure that won't all be down to Brexit, but some of it will be. I doubt anybody in Sunderland will enjoy the irony .
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