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Post by cb25 on Mar 28, 2019 10:33:26 GMT
Gove (with his desire for kids to learn pointless grammar just because he had to) seems to be a narrow favourite over Boris (basically a clown imo).
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Post by captainconfident on Mar 28, 2019 10:41:06 GMT
I think Amber Rudd seems the most grown-up of the candidates. I know she's not well-fancied to win due to her Brexit stance, but although BoJo et al are party favourites, the Conservatives would want some hope of actually being elected too. If it was BoJo or Corbyn? God, what a choice. Next days of bickering about votes is going to be interesting. The questions and method of voting are going to be absolutely key in what happens next. I think Amber Rudd comes with a problem, that she has only got a 300 majority in Hastings and that electorate might find it amusing to kick out a serving Conservative leader. It must weigh against her. Interesting that our mainly blokey board only likes female candidates for the job. Nobody's mentioned Andrea Leadsom, who must fancy her chances. I noticed her name next to Chris Grayling in an Economist article about useless ministers. Apparently her stint as a treasury minister Treasury was regarded as less than a success. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-leadership-contest-andrea-leadsom-named-worst-treasury-minister-ever-a7118461.html
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Post by registerme on Mar 28, 2019 10:43:23 GMT
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Post by captainconfident on Mar 28, 2019 11:02:34 GMT
I was annoyed at the careerist opportunists like Johnson announcing they would switch their votes when they heard that that was what was needed to make May resign.
They are willing to vote through what they agree is a bad Brexit deal in order to create a vacancy at Number 10, proof that Brexit for them has always been about putting Conservative party politics over the country.
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Post by registerme on Mar 28, 2019 19:20:43 GMT
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Post by mrclondon on Mar 28, 2019 20:59:24 GMT
I'm certainly not qualified to shoot it down, but I do have direct experience of Swiss manufacturing which is largely centred on high value add industries such as pharma / bio-pharma in which I worked.
The article you linked to contained the following which I think was attempting to make a valid point but Switzerland was completely the wrong example to use There are several UK manufactiuring sites making chemicals that are exported to Switzerland and then converted to finished pharmacetical products. "Export" in this context is transfers between manufacturing sites of the same multi-national corporation, with the Swiss sites receiving chemicals from sites across the world. Many of their raw material requirements will only be manufactured in two places in the world and only ever in one country within a continent.
Long term, yes, decisions as to whether to build new manufacturing capacity in the UK will be taken in light of the long term UK/EU relationship, but if the choice of where to source a raw material from in 2019 post brexit for use in Switzerland is UK or Thailand ... it will continue to be the UK. There will be no EU sites making that chemical if a UK site is. The end Pharma products made in Switzerland are normally for use in European, Middle Eastern, Russian, and north African markets, and there will be no other source of those products for use in this part of the world.
Yes, it is indeed probable that this may affect EU tariffs on some finished products but it simply means that EU customers will face price increases to cover the tariff cost. Coming back to the point I started with, Swiss manufacturing is generally high value add, and as such is not particularly price sensitive.
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Post by captainconfident on Mar 29, 2019 15:38:03 GMT
Well, even with Johnson and then Raab throwing their principled opposition to the terrible deal in the bin for a chance to have a go in a leadership contest, the terrible deal didn't come close. But it looks like these self seeking hypocrites will get their chance quite soon. The Librarian from the Haunted Library SURELY can't hang on for much longer.
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Post by travolta on Mar 29, 2019 16:06:38 GMT
Ah Hah. Can't wait to see the resulting EU MPs if we have to vote in that election....
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Post by IFISAcava on Mar 29, 2019 17:28:38 GMT
Updated prediction:
1) if EU plays hardball (French approach), and doesn't grant extension, choice is no deal or A50 revocation, and we revoke. 2) if EU plays softball (German approach), Commons will coalesce around a Brexit with permanent customs union +/- confirmatory referendum and we will have 12 months extension to sort it out (and EU elections). 3) Although May said she would go if she gets her deal through, she will go anyway.
My view is that if 2 occurs it will have been a perfectly democratic process for the elected HoC to have taken the advice in the referendum, to have coalesced around a consensus form of Brexit (they are elected to represent us, no party won a majority in 2017, and a sensible government would have got that consensus before negotiating its deal) and then to check with the public that they still want to go ahead with Brexit as it is in reality.
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Post by martin44 on Mar 29, 2019 21:09:54 GMT
I must say i was extremely happy to see a perfectly amicable protest march by the leavers in London today, there seemed to be a distinct absence of "Fascist's" ... "Extreme right winger's" and indeed "neanderthal's" .. which are just of few of the descriptions of us, put about by the second referendum brigade.
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Post by dan1 on Mar 29, 2019 21:16:12 GMT
I must say i was extremely happy to see a perfectly amicable protest march by the leavers in London today, there seemed to be a distinct absence of "Fascist's" ... "Extreme right winger's" and indeed "neanderthal's" .. which are just of few of the descriptions of us, put about by the second referendum brigade. Jon Snow, Channel 4 News
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Post by martin44 on Mar 29, 2019 21:20:08 GMT
I must say i was extremely happy to see a perfectly amicable protest march by the leavers in London today, there seemed to be a distinct absence of "Fascist's" ... "Extreme right winger's" and indeed "neanderthal's" .. which are just of few of the descriptions of us, put about by the second referendum brigade. Jon Snow, Channel 4 News And your point is?
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Post by martin44 on Mar 29, 2019 21:54:48 GMT
Well, even with Johnson and then Raab throwing their principled opposition to the terrible deal in the bin for a chance to have a go in a leadership contest, the terrible deal didn't come close. But it looks like these self seeking hypocrites will get their chance quite soon. The Librarian from the Haunted Library SURELY can't hang on for much longer. I'm hanging my hat on Mr Gove... Quite comical looking but an astute politician.. What do you think?
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Mar 29, 2019 22:01:29 GMT
Well, even with Johnson and then Raab throwing their principled opposition to the terrible deal in the bin for a chance to have a go in a leadership contest, the terrible deal didn't come close. But it looks like these self seeking hypocrites will get their chance quite soon. The Librarian from the Haunted Library SURELY can't hang on for much longer. I'm hanging my hat on Mr Gove... Quite comical looking but an astute politician.. What do you think? I think he would function well as a hat rack. In the vein of cometh the hour cometh the man, Geoffrey Cox would seem to have the gravitas and wit to make things happen.
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Post by martin44 on Mar 29, 2019 22:10:44 GMT
I'm hanging my hat on Mr Gove... Quite comical looking but an astute politician.. What do you think? I think he would function well as a hat rack. In the vein of cometh the hour cometh the man, Geoffrey Cox would seem to have the gravitas and wit to make things happen. good choice, although im not sure his "Brian Blessed" oratorical delivery would last the test of time...
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