Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on Oct 13, 2019 18:51:30 GMT
"...but I think you might be over-egging the Falklands there, more than slightly"
After Suez, the 3 day week, the oil crisis. I remember having to do my homework by candlelight. Rejected as members of Europe. Then we ended up with 26% inflation, even the Icelanders defeated us over cod. The place was a disaster.
While the islands are just rock, the political ramifications of that war were massive. I'm not saying it was right or wrong, but it had a significant effect.
BTW thanks for the graph, you have to look very very closely to see the MT effect on that graph once you account for "noise".
As to poll tax it was great for me and I can see the logic of a Local income tax instead of council tax . I had a neighbour who had 5 working adults all using local facilities and paying the same as me and my wife. A local income tax means everyone that earns more than allowance pays and those on low income or pensions don’t meaning no need for CT rebates or reductions. Hopefully Scotland will introduce the universal basic income soon which solves ALL poverty issues.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 8:13:12 GMT
Hopefully Scotland will introduce the universal basic income soon which solves ALL poverty issues. LOL, yeah right.
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Post by cb25 on Oct 14, 2019 12:46:58 GMT
"Ban air miles and stop frequent flyers to combat climate change, report urges" in the Independent
Better get on and use mine up.
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Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on Oct 14, 2019 15:24:13 GMT
"Ban air miles and stop frequent flyers to combat climate change, report urges" in the Independent
Better get on and use mine up.
I wonder how many SNP MPs Took a flight from Aberdeen to London for queen’s speech ?. Since they declared a Climate Emergency. Hypocritical as usual.
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Post by cb25 on Oct 14, 2019 15:58:34 GMT
"Ban air miles and stop frequent flyers to combat climate change, report urges" in the Independent
Better get on and use mine up.
I wonder how many SNP MPs Took a flight from Aberdeen to London for queen’s speech ?. Since they declared a Climate Emergency. Hypocritical as usual. Bit like this: "SNP chiefs have been blasted for a conference tie-up with Heathrow Airport. The party was accused of hypocrisy for taking cash from bosses who are lobbying for a third runway, despite the First Minister’s climate crusade." The Scottish Sun
And from SNP's own website here "How are the SNP supporting the North Sea oil and gas industry?". Shouldn't they be in stating they'll leave the oil and gas in the ground?
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Post by cb25 on Oct 15, 2019 12:05:00 GMT
The Sun reports "A founder of the Extinction Rebellion protests has been accused of “blind hypocrisy” after it was revealed she had flown to Central America for a luxury holiday despite leading calls for a “rapid reduction” in air travel. Gail Bradbrook clocked up 11,000 air miles as she flew to Costa Rica for a week’s £2,500 stay at the New Life Iboga retreat then a week touring the tropical paradise."
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I guess 'no flights except in an emergency' is for the little people, not for planet-saving XR climate heroes 
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 16:22:14 GMT
I think we have to recognise the difference between the soldiers in Climate Extinction and the High command. It is worth reading www.economist.com/britain/2019/10/10/how-the-anarchists-of-extinction-rebellion-got-so-well-organised which covers the High Command pretty well and they are the usual agi-prop types who see direct action as a route to power in a democracy. Many of the soldiers are well educated and well aware of the reality of climate change. They are going the right way but some of the hands on the tiller have bad objectives.
So like... humans.
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Post by travolta on Oct 15, 2019 17:24:36 GMT
Well if they are soldiers,then they can expect to be shot down. As the mum of two real soldiers at the pointed end. I am totally pissed by these wet dreamers playing at life.
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Post by registerme on Oct 16, 2019 2:21:21 GMT
Well if they are soldiers,then they can expect to be shot down. As the mum of two real soldiers at the pointed end. I am totally pissed by these wet dreamers playing at life. ./nothing to do with climate change travolta I think our political views diverge a touch. Perhaps enough that they will never meet. But for what your boys(?) do, and for what your family bear, I will be ever grateful. Thank you. And yours. And please pass on my thanks, regards, respect and appreciation to those at the pointy end. RM
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Post by adrianc on Oct 16, 2019 7:22:45 GMT
The perception of XR activisits is that they're students, without a clue in the real world. My experience is quite the opposite. I know several people who've got involved, including some who've been in national press photos of the recent London actions. Average age? 70plus. Background? Educated "real-world", "hands-on" professionals with a string of high-level accolades behind them. Climate change is real. The "climate emergency" is real. Anybody who tries to claim otherwise is simply denying actual hard scientific documented fact, because it's inconvenient to their political preconceptions. XR, whether you like their background and actions and methods or not, are at the absolute forefront of doing something to raise awareness of that fact. Does that make XR perfect? No, of course not. Do they need to be? Isn't denying climate change by attacking XR just an ad hominem attack because you know that denying climate change is on a loser? Changing the direction of society doesn't need a few people to be absolutely perfect. It needs a hell of a lot of people to start doing a little bit. Then do a bit more. It needs you to do it, it needs me to do it. I might not agree with XR themselves. I might well share the opinions @bobo mentioned above. But that doesn't mean I can get away without doing my bit... And as for "But what about China...?"   |
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Post by macq on Oct 16, 2019 7:53:35 GMT
I think we have to recognise the difference between the soldiers in Climate Extinction and the High command. It is worth reading www.economist.com/britain/2019/10/10/how-the-anarchists-of-extinction-rebellion-got-so-well-organised which covers the High Command pretty well and they are the usual agi-prop types who see direct action as a route to power in a democracy. Many of the soldiers are well educated and well aware of the reality of climate change. They are going the right way but some of the hands on the tiller have bad objectives.
So like... humans.
Ah the old "do as i say - not do as i do" defence from high command.Sounds like there ready for power as you call it already 
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Post by cb25 on Oct 16, 2019 8:22:40 GMT
Monday night's Panorama followed a family (Mum, Dad, 2 young boys) trying to change their lifestyle to be a bit more environmentally friendly, albeit only for 2 weeks -reduced/gave up meat. Dad 'fell off the wagon' eating meat when out of the house one dad, one of the boys binned his vegan cheeseburger -Mum caught the bus to work (45 mins) rather than drove (10-15 mins), walked the kids to school -family was then lent an electric car -Dad was lent an electric van for work -comments were made about moving the house off gas heating and making it more energy efficient, estimated (I believe) in range £20K-£30K
Little unsatisfactory as we weren't told whether, at the end of the 2 weeks, the family decided to stick with the little/no meat diet, or whether Mum continued to take the 45 minute bus to work rather than the 15 minute car journey.
As to other things: -electric car: they couldn't afford it -electric van: didn't have the range needed for Dad's job -house: they couldn't afford it -family holiday abroad: no comment about whether they were willing to give up flying.
Agreeing that man-made climate change is real doesn't fix affordability problems.
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Post by dan1 on Oct 16, 2019 8:40:22 GMT
FWIW I think this thread is great  I've paid lip service to the protests to date because I trust the science I was astounded, I just searched and it seems XR (I only became aware of the acronym from this thread, thank you all ) was founded less than a year ago  . It's on a par with brexit discussions Please keep up the debate on both sides of the argument. It raises the profile and acts as a catalyst for the movement, thank you. This is real movement and with this kind of momentum change for the good will accelerate Go Greta Go |
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Post by macq on Oct 16, 2019 8:42:32 GMT
About this time every year my wife calls me the Grinch - But if i could just ask the millions of people out there to
1.not buy the tons & tons of cheap throw away polyester mass produced in China Halloween outfits
2.not buy all the Fireworks
3. Not buy all the usual Xmas tat and unwanted presents that clog up the landfills every New Year
Then we could all be Grinch's together!
P.s turn off all the Xmas lights and no more plastic trees (and maybe even real xmas trees)
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Post by martin44 on Oct 16, 2019 20:40:44 GMT
The perception of XR activisits is that they're students, without a clue in the real world. My experience is quite the opposite. I know several people who've got involved, including some who've been in national press photos of the recent London actions. Average age? 70plus. Background? Educated "real-world", "hands-on" professionals with a string of high-level accolades behind them. Climate change is real. The "climate emergency" is real. Anybody who tries to claim otherwise is simply denying actual hard scientific documented fact, because it's inconvenient to their political preconceptions. XR, whether you like their background and actions and methods or not, are at the absolute forefront of doing something to raise awareness of that fact. Does that make XR perfect? No, of course not. Do they need to be? Isn't denying climate change by attacking XR just an ad hominem attack because you know that denying climate change is on a loser? Changing the direction of society doesn't need a few people to be absolutely perfect. It needs a hell of a lot of people to start doing a little bit. Then do a bit more. It needs you to do it, it needs me to do it.I might not agree with XR themselves. I might well share the opinions @bobo mentioned above. But that doesn't mean I can get away without doing my bit... And as for "But what about China...?" I'll be sorry to see you go adrian... getting rid of your PC,TV,LAPTOP,CAR ETC... i'm sure will help..good luck in your future as a sad, bitter..recluse. 
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. It's on a par with brexit discussions 