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Post by adrianc on Mar 3, 2023 8:53:27 GMT
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Post by martin44 on Mar 12, 2023 18:56:57 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Mar 13, 2023 8:40:42 GMT
This is your regular reminder that electric vehicle batteries currently account for around a quarter to a third of all lithium-ion cells produced, by capacity. The remainder go into appliances like torches, toothbrushes, phones, laptops, toys, powertools, medical equipment...
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Post by martin44 on Mar 13, 2023 20:48:19 GMT
This is your regular reminder that electric vehicle batteries currently account for around a quarter to a third of all lithium-ion cells produced, by capacity.
The remainder go into appliances like torches, toothbrushes, phones, laptops, toys, powertools, medical equipment... correct they do.. but only 2.2% of the worlds vehicles are electric.. ill leave you to do the maths.
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Post by adrianc on Mar 13, 2023 20:54:22 GMT
This is your regular reminder that electric vehicle batteries currently account for around a quarter to a third of all lithium-ion cells produced, by capacity.
The remainder go into appliances like torches, toothbrushes, phones, laptops, toys, powertools, medical equipment... correct they do.. but only 2.2% of the worlds vehicles are electric.. ill leave you to do the maths. There's a big difference between total extant vehicles, and current production. ~13% - 1 in 8 - of last year's global production was BEV or PHEV. 10.5m units out of 81m - plus another 8.5m non-plugin hybrids, so 19m of 81m (23.5%) had lithium-ion traction cells.
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Post by martin44 on Mar 13, 2023 21:10:40 GMT
correct they do.. but only 2.2% of the worlds vehicles are electric.. ill leave you to do the maths. There's a big difference between total extant vehicles, and current production. ~13% - 1 in 8 - of last year's global production was BEV or PHEV. 10.5m units out of 81m - plus another 8.5m non-plugin hybrids, so 19m of 81m (23.5%) had lithium-ion traction cells. Indeed yes, my son leased a brand new Audi q5 around 6 months ago through his company, not sure if its a BEV or a PHEV however its total travel distance when in full electric mode is 15 miles, he had chatted with the sales people before buying and asked why the EV side was so woeful, he was told that it was uneconomical at the moment to make it a full EV due to the cost of the batteries, puzzlingly, its then a 2ltr diesel, "why not a 2ltr petrol cum LPG?" ... "we dont make LPG cars" .. even more puzzlingly... he took on the lease at £500 a month.. if only he'd listened to his dad and got a VW up. WHICH IS WHAT I DRIVE... 20 A YEAR TAX.. 52PG ROUND TOWN.. 186 PER YEAR FULL COMP. NO BRAINER.  EDIT... Forgot to add... he got a free charger with the lease at his workplace, but because he has to travel 26 miles a day to work, he paid them £1050 to put one at his house as well 
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Post by adrianc on Mar 13, 2023 21:18:42 GMT
not sure if its a BEV or a PHEV Does it have a petrol/diesel engine? If it doesn't, it's a BEV. If it does and can be plugged into the mains as well, it's a PHEV.
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Post by martin44 on Mar 13, 2023 21:28:12 GMT
not sure if its a BEV or a PHEV Does it have a petrol/diesel engine? If it doesn't, it's a BEV. If it does and can be plugged into the mains as well, it's a PHEV. Thanks for that....its a 2ltr diesel engine, and can be plugged into the mains.. so its a PHEV. I did ask him if he would come up with some figures of the mpg on a run and also round town, but he told me to bugger off... so ive no idea whether its eco friendly or not.
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Post by keitha on Mar 13, 2023 22:45:48 GMT
My OH has a little Hybrid it does over 20 miles on battery and isn't plug in.
PHEV with a 15 mile battery range is pathetic, probably a smaller battery than I have in my house
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Post by martin44 on Mar 13, 2023 23:30:12 GMT
My OH has a little Hybrid it does over 20 miles on battery and isn't plug in. PHEV with a 15 mile battery range is pathetic, probably a smaller battery than I have in my house It is pathetic, but the best phev on the markets offer only ~60 mile range.. not much use to the 60k mls per yr sales rep, personally i wouldn't touch any of em with a barge pole, go for a 3 cylinder petrol, much more friendly in the long run when considering build cost, retail cost, running cost and carbon offset cost for manufacturing... and to boot.. 150000 mls life with no silly 15k cost to replace the batteries AS PER a second hand EV.
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Post by bernythedolt on Mar 13, 2023 23:51:19 GMT
Does it have a petrol/diesel engine? If it doesn't, it's a BEV. If it does and can be plugged into the mains as well, it's a PHEV. Thanks for that....its a 2ltr diesel engine, and can be plugged into the mains.. so its a PHEV. I did ask him if he would come up with some figures of the mpg on a run and also round town, but he told me to bugger off... so ive no idea whether its eco friendly or not. Something wrong here, I think. To the best of my knowledge, no Audi in the UK has ever sported a 2ltr diesel PHEV power unit. Their Q5 PHEVs have all been petrol. They do produce a diesel PHEV, but that's a 3ltr lump and it's only available in their Q7 range. Diesel PHEVs in general are very thin on the ground - only Audi, Mercedes and Volvo have ever produced them - and the only company to make a 2ltr diesel PHEV variant has been Mercedes.
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Post by pikestaff on Mar 14, 2023 8:20:33 GMT
My OH has a little Hybrid it does over 20 miles on battery and isn't plug in. PHEV with a 15 mile battery range is pathetic, probably a smaller battery than I have in my house It is pathetic, but the best phev on the markets offer only ~60 mile range.. not much use to the 60k mls per yr sales rep, personally i wouldn't touch any of em with a barge pole, go for a 3 cylinder petrol, much more friendly in the long run when considering build cost, retail cost, running cost and carbon offset cost for manufacturing... and to boot.. 150000 mls life with no silly 15k cost to replace the batteries AS PER a second hand EV. PHEVs are a con perpetrated by the car industry to game the CO2 emissions figures. This gives them cheaper car tax and (if you drive a company car) a lower P11D taxable value than would otherwise be the case. It's the latter which makes them popular with company car drivers, many (most?) of whom never actually charge the battery. Real world C02 emissions for PHEVs are terrible. www.transportenvironment.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/2020_09_UK_briefing_The_plug-in_hybrid_con.pdf
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Post by adrianc on Mar 14, 2023 9:10:54 GMT
Real world C02 emissions for PHEVs are terrible. If you're daft enough not to plug them in. It's a bit like saying the range and performance is terrible if you don't put petrol or diesel in.
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Post by pikestaff on Mar 14, 2023 10:22:54 GMT
Real world C02 emissions for PHEVs are terrible. If you're daft enough not to plug them in. It's a bit like saying the range and performance is terrible if you don't put petrol or diesel in. Even if you do plug them in they are mediocre at best. Read the article.
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Post by adrianc on Mar 14, 2023 10:27:20 GMT
If you're daft enough not to plug them in. It's a bit like saying the range and performance is terrible if you don't put petrol or diesel in. Even if you do. Read the article. Which says things like... So PHEV compared to a pure BEV? Yes, they emit more CO2. Obvs. Which is the whole point of the article. But better than a non-hybrid or better than a non-plugin? Yes. Reminder - non-hybrids are being removed from new sale in 2030, hybrids in 2035. They're a stopgap.
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