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Post by adrianc on Jun 2, 2023 22:48:49 GMT
Sorry, what was the point you wanted to make with that?  Because as far as I can tell, that suggests that the CO2 level was around or below ~300PPM from about a million years ago until the middle of the 20th century, and then it just exploded through the roof to levels not seen for 20 million years, with the curve continuing to levels unseen for 200 million years, way over 1,000PPM if we don't extract digit firmly and immediately. Keeping the rise below 1.5degC requires 430PPM - and that's thought to now be impossible - while 2degC requires about 470PPM. It's currently around 420PPM and rising by about 2.5PPM per year.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jun 3, 2023 0:43:49 GMT
A degree of precision is always welcome and becomes essential in any science debate. Precision and clarity. Furthermore, if you expect to be taken seriously, another desirable attribute is a degree of politeness and respect for your fellow contributors. Suggesting others are unable to read, for example, or are troubled by the simplest concepts, will never get the best out of intelligent people. They will simply ignore you. I agree...the point of the post was to show chatgpt will tell you exactly what it wants you to hear, loads of woky nonsense guff unless you pin it down with a simple "yes" or "no"... thats where the answer becomes more ambigious, because it depends on how you phrase the question, as a few posts above have shown, including yours. Please feel free to rephrase my questions however you'd prefer and re-post the chatbot's answers.
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Post by rscal on Jun 3, 2023 13:56:52 GMT
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Post by michaelc on Jun 3, 2023 18:23:37 GMT
Like the weather maps bit.
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Post by crabbyoldgit on Jun 3, 2023 20:01:15 GMT
As I understand this , human activity will not destroy the planet, or life on the planet, we only use those terms to describe the effects of climate change on humans in their present social form. We could burn every pint of oil , cubic metre of gas tomorrow morning and life in the deep seas would probably not even know, you could add a nuclear war to that on top and I suspect parts of the living part of the planet could not give a dam. Our problem is simply we are to successful and there are just to many of us. The good news is it seems in areas become richer and more educated reproduction rates are falling fast. The Japanese problem of young people not entering relationships or wanting children is spreading fast across the western world. Why it would seem I think as a species we are truly a self serving bunch ,take away the requirement of needing children to support us in our old age in some form of delusional hope of immortality then no thanks let's party today and bugger kids. I find the whole importing people to increase gdp a nothing more than a Ponzi scheme totally unsupportable in the long term. So sadly what do I see in the future, well it's not nice. I can see poor immigrants fleeing north totally rejected violently as conditions in south become unable to support populations increasing far past any ability of the environment to support population numbers. If I was going to think of a new world war it's not east west but rich north poor south that I think may come our way long term.
I feel totally ashamed of this post, but the future as I see it cannot be avoided the rich north will not support a wave of endless immigration without a degradation of living standards of the local population and I fear the choices that may then may be made.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 5, 2023 12:09:58 GMT
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Post by martin44 on Jun 5, 2023 19:58:19 GMT
I agree...the point of the post was to show chatgpt will tell you exactly what it wants you to hear, loads of woky nonsense guff unless you pin it down with a simple "yes" or "no"... thats where the answer becomes more ambigious, because it depends on how you phrase the question, as a few posts above have shown, including yours. Please feel free to rephrase my questions however you'd prefer and re-post the chatbot's answers. no need.. i phrased it perfectly and got the answer i was expecting.
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Post by martin44 on Jun 5, 2023 19:59:57 GMT
Sorry, what was the point you wanted to make with that? Because as far as I can tell, that suggests that the CO2 level was around or below ~300PPM from about a million years ago until the middle of the 20th century, and then it just exploded through the roof to levels not seen for 20 million years, with the curve continuing to levels unseen for 200 million years, way over 1,000PPM if we don't extract digit firmly and immediately. Keeping the rise below 1.5degC requires 430PPM - and that's thought to now be impossible - while 2degC requires about 470PPM. It's currently around 420PPM and rising by about 2.5PPM per year. you could probably get a good long term average from my graph.
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Post by martin44 on Jun 7, 2023 19:00:26 GMT
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Post by agent69 on Jun 8, 2023 19:59:50 GMT
There was an expert in the media earlier today saying that they had just detected the satrt of an El Ninio event in the Pacific ocean. As a consequence 2024 was going to be the hottest year on record.
Reminded me of a construction site I worked on many years ago. The groundworker had an excavator driver that we called El Ninio, because he was a natural disaster.
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Post by martin44 on Jun 8, 2023 20:05:54 GMT
There was an expert in the media earlier today saying that they had just detected the satrt of an El Ninio event in the Pacific ocean. As a consequence 2024 was going to be the hottest year on record.
Reminded me of a construction site I worked on many years ago. The groundworker had an excavator driver that we called El Ninio, because he was a natural disaster.
That should go in the jokes thread... brilliant.. 
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Post by martin44 on Jun 16, 2023 20:15:51 GMT
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Post by keitha on Jun 16, 2023 22:42:04 GMT
What at least 6 weeks here with no rain
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Post by michaelc on Jun 18, 2023 19:16:08 GMT
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Post by martin44 on Jun 18, 2023 19:49:31 GMT
I completely do agree they had their chance and ballsed it up... nationalise them yes... they operate along the lines of the BBC..., sorry mr customer, you got a tv, you think we are shite and never watch us.. tough... PAY UP.
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