agent69
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Post by agent69 on Sept 8, 2020 9:02:45 GMT
.....it is nearly 9 pints of beer there - per person). Lightweight. I don't think it was suggested that the £36 represented one nights bar bill.
From a personel perspective I reached my drinking peak when I was a student, and have been slowly cutting back ever since. Overheard two northern gentlement yesterday saying at home they paid £8.20 for 4 pints last weekend. How the other half live.
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Post by michaelc on Sept 8, 2020 16:13:42 GMT
I'm unaffected personally, but baffled by this ongoing travel quarantine lottery. Several Greek islands are being added as of tomorrow morning, and yet Greece has had less than 300 cases in the last 2 days versus the UK's near 6,000. Meanwhile, Tinos and Serifos have been removed from the air corridor list but don't even have airports. Whilst I know there's some notional concept of cases per capita at work here, the net effect seems somewhat ridiculous in the context of spiralling UK cases. Surely at some point the airlines/holiday operators are going to have to throw the towel in w.r.t operating from the UK. Greece is lovely by the way I especially recommend the islands without an airport, they tend to be well worth the Piraeus ferry run. I'm also baffled but for a different reason. When I came back to the UK from a red-zone country 3 weeks ago, I decided to fill in the government locator form as I'd heard about it on the news. Nobody asked me to fill it in. Then, when checking in and passing through the airports, also nobody asked me about it and nobody mentioned quarantine. Whether or not you believe quarantine is a good thing it seems to be to be so poorly implemented as to be an irrelevance.
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 8, 2020 16:52:51 GMT
I'm unaffected personally, but baffled by this ongoing travel quarantine lottery. Several Greek islands are being added as of tomorrow morning, and yet Greece has had less than 300 cases in the last 2 days versus the UK's near 6,000. Meanwhile, Tinos and Serifos have been removed from the air corridor list but don't even have airports. Whilst I know there's some notional concept of cases per capita at work here, the net effect seems somewhat ridiculous in the context of spiralling UK cases. Surely at some point the airlines/holiday operators are going to have to throw the towel in w.r.t operating from the UK. Greece is lovely by the way I especially recommend the islands without an airport, they tend to be well worth the Piraeus ferry run. I'm also baffled but for a different reason. When I came back to the UK from a red-zone country 3 weeks ago, I decided to fill in the government locator form as I'd heard about it on the news. Nobody asked me to fill it in. Then, when checking in and passing through the airports, also nobody asked me about it and nobody mentioned quarantine. Whether or not you believe quarantine is a good thing it seems to be to be so poorly implemented as to be an irrelevance. And this surprises you for why ? Its all part of the world beating track and trace strategy.
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Post by jlend on Sept 8, 2020 16:53:06 GMT
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Post by benaj on Sept 8, 2020 20:04:44 GMT
Well, the rule for face covering of secondary school students is a farce. There are many students not wearing them on the way to school/home, walking with their friends without about social distancing. Staggered time? Students hanging outside the school in closed group when the gates are closed. What can the siblings do? Or hungry students having breakfast while walking to schools.
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Post by IFISAcava on Sept 8, 2020 20:43:55 GMT
I'm unaffected personally, but baffled by this ongoing travel quarantine lottery. Several Greek islands are being added as of tomorrow morning, and yet Greece has had less than 300 cases in the last 2 days versus the UK's near 6,000. Meanwhile, Tinos and Serifos have been removed from the air corridor list but don't even have airports. Whilst I know there's some notional concept of cases per capita at work here, the net effect seems somewhat ridiculous in the context of spiralling UK cases. Surely at some point the airlines/holiday operators are going to have to throw the towel in w.r.t operating from the UK. Greece is lovely by the way I especially recommend the islands without an airport, they tend to be well worth the Piraeus ferry run. If you avoid Santorini and Mykonos, and don't stay in the package tourist hellspots, you can't really go wrong.
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Post by benaj on Sept 8, 2020 22:39:38 GMT
This has been puzzling me recently: why is it that China has taken the direction it has to eliminate (zero-Covid if you like) the virus? Is it for one, or a combination of, the following: - Medical : not just those that die but the long term health of survivors (I assume they don't know anything we don't!) - Economic : lingering infections reduce consumption etc. - Political : just because they can, in contrast to the West where we can't eliminate the virus (with small exceptions) / a projection of power if you will (seen that footage of Wuhan pool parties) Why? imgur.com/a/LCPurji334 ”cities” in China have Zero-covid new cases while 5 cities have (excluding import cases) Interestingly, a small city of 7.4 million population, Hong Kong has the second highest number Covid cases and Covid deaths in China
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Post by Mike on Sept 9, 2020 15:13:26 GMT
I formally signed up about a month ago after having got through very quickly on the contact number. The initial visit took about 30 mins and I have since had the first two follow up visits/tests. These each took about 5mins. I had to take the swabs myself and was slightly surprised at how little guidance was given other than to swab my throat before my nose. Fortunately I had previously had a test administered at one of the testing centres so was broadly aware of the procedure. I have not been advised of any results although they are supposed to be sent to my GP practice. I have not had any contact from the GP and so assume that the results are negative(!) although I could phone to ask if I wanted to. So far the ‘vouchers’ have been sent about 2 weeks after the visits; an online link to a site where the process of choosing/obtaining the vouchers is straightforward and with a fairly good range of retailers to choose from. Thanks for the info. I've registered but am still waiting for the appointment call. There does seem to be a good choice of vouchers. I don't think I'll be taking the charitable donation to the NHS route. The've squandered enough public money already. Our appointment call came three weeks after registering by phone in reply to the letter, last night at 6pm. The lady came round today at noon - she is a local who was made redundant because of covid, said she'd had some online training but isn't normally a health worker. She was very friendly, 6 month initial contract - here in SW London she can walk to most of her appointments but now so many people are back in the office ends up doing majority of them 6-10pm. No masks or gloves (until she needed the latter to handle the test kit bags) so not as PPE'd up the info suggested - which was actually quite nice. One of the questionnaire questions was "when/where do you wear a mask" though! She did try to stay 1m apart from us and wouldn't come from the common corridor into the flat, but that was okay. Seems strange she is going round testing randomly selected people (weekly!) using thousands of tests when there is a reported shortage for people who actually have symptoms. Anyway, would recommend for £50 or whatever the first visit is worth - nice to chat to someone new if you've been missing it!
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Post by travolta on Sept 10, 2020 12:05:53 GMT
Interesting. No follow uo from the registration as yet. We live miles from anywhere so I can't imagine who will turn up. I'm glad they can pay in Sainsburys vouchers .Wont have to pay for my monthly shop for a bit :-)
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Post by agent69 on Sept 11, 2020 10:41:22 GMT
The Covid-19 app will be launched across England and Wales on 24 September, the Department of Health and Social Care says.
It said trials in one of London's boroughs, as well as on the Isle of Wight and with NHS Volunteer Responders, show the app is "highly effective when used alongside traditional contact tracing to identify contacts of those who have tested positive for coronavirus".
Health Secretary Matt Hancock described the app's launch as "a defining moment" and said it would help to contain the virus "at a critical time".
Don't all rush at once
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Post by dan1 on Sept 11, 2020 10:43:28 GMT
Is this part of operation #moonshit? The Covid-19 app will be launched across England and Wales on 24 September, the Department of Health and Social Care says.
It said trials in one of London's boroughs, as well as on the Isle of Wight and with NHS Volunteer Responders, show the app is "highly effective when used alongside traditional contact tracing to identify contacts of those who have tested positive for coronavirus".
Health Secretary Matt Hancock described the app's launch as "a defining moment" and said it would help to contain the virus "at a critical time".
Don't all rush at once
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Post by james100 on Sept 11, 2020 11:11:52 GMT
Is this part of operation #moonshit? The Covid-19 app will be launched across England and Wales on 24 September, the Department of Health and Social Care says.
It said trials in one of London's boroughs, as well as on the Isle of Wight and with NHS Volunteer Responders, show the app is "highly effective when used alongside traditional contact tracing to identify contacts of those who have tested positive for coronavirus".
Health Secretary Matt Hancock described the app's launch as "a defining moment" and said it would help to contain the virus "at a critical time".
Don't all rush at once
The one where we get a new world beating strategy for <insert a very important thing here> every lunar cycle?
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Post by slippery on Sept 11, 2020 12:12:27 GMT
I'm also baffled but for a different reason. When I came back to the UK from a red-zone country 3 weeks ago, I decided to fill in the government locator form as I'd heard about it on the news. Nobody asked me to fill it in. Then, when checking in and passing through the airports, also nobody asked me about it and nobody mentioned quarantine. Whether or not you believe quarantine is a good thing it seems to be to be so poorly implemented as to be an irrelevance. Just for contrast: " A 50-year-old man has been jailed for eight weeks after failing to self-isolate upon returning to the Isle of Man.
Ivan Vasilev Dimitrov started delivering meals from the Siam Orchid restaurant in Douglas on 6th September, despite returning to the Isle of Man on 3rd September.
At the time, the Isle of Man had a 14-day self-isolation policy where anyone who arrived on the Island was required to quarantine for two weeks to prevent the spread of coronavirus.
That has now been reduced to seven days isolation, followed by a test." 8 weeks is a bit draconian (no evidence that he actually HAS infected anyone). But sentencing obvious rule-breakers does help send a clear warning.
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Post by michaelc on Sept 11, 2020 15:31:07 GMT
I'm also baffled but for a different reason. When I came back to the UK from a red-zone country 3 weeks ago, I decided to fill in the government locator form as I'd heard about it on the news. Nobody asked me to fill it in. Then, when checking in and passing through the airports, also nobody asked me about it and nobody mentioned quarantine. Whether or not you believe quarantine is a good thing it seems to be to be so poorly implemented as to be an irrelevance. Just for contrast: " A 50-year-old man has been jailed for eight weeks after failing to self-isolate upon returning to the Isle of Man.
Ivan Vasilev Dimitrov started delivering meals from the Siam Orchid restaurant in Douglas on 6th September, despite returning to the Isle of Man on 3rd September.
At the time, the Isle of Man had a 14-day self-isolation policy where anyone who arrived on the Island was required to quarantine for two weeks to prevent the spread of coronavirus.
That has now been reduced to seven days isolation, followed by a test." 8 weeks is a bit draconian (no evidence that he actually HAS infected anyone). But sentencing obvious rule-breakers does help send a clear warning. I'm glad you put added this but to me its almost worse. I guess a bloke delivering meals is pretty bad and that is why the magistrate no doubt took a dim view but I agree it is _utterly_ disproportionate IMO but sentencing policy is another subject and one I subjectively think judges/magistrates frequently get badly wrong. Anyway. back to the subject.... Its also bad because nobody is aware of the possibility of going to jail. Is it just an IOM thing? I for example had assumed there was a fixed penalty system in operation. Punishment wise that probably about right up there with speeding etc but it needs to be enforced as speeding fines are. Doing virtually nothing to enforce and then stringing up some poor bloke with a russian sounding name to set an example is the worst of all worlds.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Sept 11, 2020 15:55:03 GMT
Just for contrast: " A 50-year-old man has been jailed for eight weeks after failing to self-isolate upon returning to the Isle of Man.
Ivan Vasilev Dimitrov started delivering meals from the Siam Orchid restaurant in Douglas on 6th September, despite returning to the Isle of Man on 3rd September.
At the time, the Isle of Man had a 14-day self-isolation policy where anyone who arrived on the Island was required to quarantine for two weeks to prevent the spread of coronavirus.
That has now been reduced to seven days isolation, followed by a test." 8 weeks is a bit draconian (no evidence that he actually HAS infected anyone). But sentencing obvious rule-breakers does help send a clear warning. I'm glad you put added this but to me its almost worse. I guess a bloke delivering meals is pretty bad and that is why the magistrate no doubt took a dim view but I agree it is _utterly_ disproportionate IMO but sentencing policy is another subject and one I subjectively think judges/magistrates frequently get badly wrong. Anyway. back to the subject.... Its also bad because nobody is aware of the possibility of going to jail. Is it just an IOM thing? I for example had assumed there was a fixed penalty system in operation. Punishment wise that probably about right up there with speeding etc but it needs to be enforced as speeding fines are. Doing virtually nothing to enforce and then stringing up some poor bloke with a russian sounding name to set an example is the worst of all worlds. But there is speeding and potentially killing someone when speeding, delivering meals to people who may be at high risk from Covid, when you have been told to self isolate is just so stupid and reckless it deserves more that a slap on the wrist. Don't mess with the Isle of Man they are independent from the UK.
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