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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 2, 2020 16:47:25 GMT
On a different note:
The government in Kenya has warned the public about an audio recording circulating on WhatsApp, which talked of 63 cases of the coronavirus in the country. It stressed there were no cases currently, and that the recording had been part of training exerciseon how to handle communications. It’s not clear how the recording became public.
Oh the irony.......
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Post by ozboy on Mar 2, 2020 17:55:01 GMT
I thought the below statement was "interesting"
The head of the World Health Organization (WHO), Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, says the new coronavirus "is a unique virus with unique features". "This virus is not influenza. We have never before seen a pathogen that can transfer between individuals [so easily]."
in the interests of balance, he also made it clear he thought it was still containable, and i'm posting this purely as an interesting observation about its characteristics.
I am reminded of that beautiful and actually very bright lady Mandy Rice-Davies - "Well, he would say that, wouldn't he?!"
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 2, 2020 18:01:44 GMT
I thought the below statement was "interesting"
The head of the World Health Organization (WHO), Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, says the new coronavirus "is a unique virus with unique features". "This virus is not influenza. We have never before seen a pathogen that can transfer between individuals [so easily]."
in the interests of balance, he also made it clear he thought it was still containable, and i'm posting this purely as an interesting observation about its characteristics.
I am reminded of that beautiful and actually very bright lady Mandy Rice-Davies - "Well, he would say that, wouldn't he?!"Quite.
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Post by michaelc on Mar 2, 2020 18:17:19 GMT
Masks do have side effects, especially in people with existing health problems, i.e. the very people most at risk in case of infection. For example this paper looked at the effect of wearing N95 masks (the kind that can somewhat reliably filter the virus) for 4 hours at a time on people with terminal renal disease and found: Consider, for example, the millions of people driving cars in China while wearing masks (as it is mandatory), the well documented effect of hypoxemia on reaction times, and how common traffic accidents are here. Statistically, there must be multiple people effectively killed by face mask use. (Of course, this should be offset against people saved by face masks.) Also, it is known that SARS-CoV-2 can enter the body through the eyes, so you'd also need something like ski goggles to be safe. Personally, as I've never expected the containment measures to work in the end, I reuse the same disposable N90 mask every day, on which I've loosened the outflow valve flap with a pen to make it more comfortable to breathe. It's purely for show. I would not wear a mask if I were free to choose. Interesting the advice in China is different to ours. Makes it even harder to know what to believe.
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Post by registerme on Mar 2, 2020 18:39:39 GMT
Well, here's some advice based on personal experience today. Get your haircut before it becomes endemic across the UK (/world).
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Post by registerme on Mar 2, 2020 18:49:32 GMT
i.imgur.com/MiCHOgY.gifvNot sure if this will embed properly, Nope, it didn't embed at all. And not sure how good the data is, but it's interesting.
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 2, 2020 18:50:09 GMT
Well, here's some advice based on personal experience today. Get your haircut before it becomes endemic across the UK (/world). But haircuts are already endemic ??
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 2, 2020 18:52:18 GMT
US election rallies "safe" - Donald TrumpPresident Donald Trump's campaign rallies do not put people at risk of coronavirus, he has insisted. "I think it's very safe," he said in the White House, AFP reports, adding: "You could ask that to the Democrats because they're having a lot of rallies."
Groan, just Groan.
(and not as in "Groan Up")
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Post by registerme on Mar 2, 2020 18:52:47 GMT
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Post by benaj on Mar 2, 2020 20:12:51 GMT
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 2, 2020 20:14:50 GMT
A couple of things that have caused my eyebrows to rise today.
Italy: 52 deaths, >2000 cases. But... 149 of those infected are now recovered. So if you go by the logic that fatality rates can only be looked at in terms of deaths compared with recovered, or at least “countback”, not by simply number of current confirmed infected, you’d end up with a much more scary number.
Then there are 5 deaths in Washington State, with 14 confirmed cases in the county.
Given that the Italian health care systems is probably in far better shape than say Wuhan’s, and likewise the US, it would seem to demonstrate that right now there are lies, downright lies, and statistics (not the fault of statistics I should say). Or rather, that its nigh on impossible to draw conclusions based on current numbers being reported and more dust needs to settle.
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Post by jaswells on Mar 2, 2020 22:53:55 GMT
Yes, but AFAIK the vast majority of cases which result in death are with the elderly (75+) and/or with pre-existing conditions. This is in the data and is significant when thinking of appropriate response.
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Post by registerme on Mar 2, 2020 23:16:21 GMT
Given that the Italian health care systems is probably in far better shape than say Wuhan’s, and likewise the US.... Interesting assumption / statement, what's the reasoning behind it?
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Post by dan1 on Mar 2, 2020 23:20:30 GMT
Yes, but AFAIK the vast majority of cases which result in death are with the elderly (75+) and/or with pre-existing conditions. This is in the data and is significant when thinking of appropriate response. I'm not sure I should even be thinking about this but if this is true (I've no idea btw) and short term upheaval aside would we not expect markets to rise? A cull of the unproductive rump to re-energise global growth - putting it bluntly. It's certainly no stint down the gym but no pain no gain.
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Post by registerme on Mar 3, 2020 0:19:11 GMT
Just to provide a bit of perspective, as of right now ~0.0012% of the world's population are infected.
Does it worry me? Yes. Do I expect the numbers to go higher? Yes. Do I expect it to become endemic? Probably, over time. Perhaps quite quickly. If it does at least we can dispense with the whole face mask rigmarole. Do I expect vulnerable groups to suffer disproportionately? Yes. Do I expect health care systems (where they exist) to be stressed, perhaps badly? Yes. Do we need to take sensible precautions to limit spread and manage patient care and maximise outcomes? Yes. Do you need to take sensible precautions to limit spread? Yes. It's only polite, after all.
Do I expect to catch it? Probably.
Is it the harbinger of the end of the world?
No.
Am I going to panic?
No.
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