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Post by benaj on Oct 14, 2020 10:54:38 GMT
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Post by bernythedolt on Oct 14, 2020 11:08:02 GMT
This is hardly a convincing case though. She was 89, with bone marrow cancer, and it's by no means clear she was ever clear of the first Covid infection. There were no confirmed negative tests between the "two" Covid infections.
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Post by agent69 on Oct 14, 2020 11:47:22 GMT
But this hasn't stopped France from having significantly more cases than UK. Making it possible to get a timely test is going to get you more positive results, even DT worked that one out. In terms of deaths per million France is significantly less worse than UK (both being awful), the much vaunted Sweden lying between the 2. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countriesUK have carried out more than twice the number of tests as France, but still have a lower number of positives.
On a related topic, has anyone seen the video from Liverpool city centre last night showing the good people of the city partying in the streets? If one of them had pulled out a knife and stabbed somebody I have no doubt that CCTV would have identified them very quickly. Why then do the police not use CCTV to identify all the party goers and prosecute them? A councilor from Liverpool was doing the rounds on the media this morning saying that businesses forced to close due to the lockdown should get more financial assistance from central government. I wonder if it would be a better idea for the assistance to be funded by a local tax such that people who have caused the problem have to pay to resolve it. That might encourage a bit more civic responsibility.
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 14, 2020 12:25:03 GMT
This is hardly a convincing case though. She was 89, with bone marrow cancer, and it's by no means clear she was ever clear of the first Covid infection. There were no confirmed negative tests between the "two" Covid infections. well that's how I read it - basically she had no/virtually no immune system in the first place. So its an irrelevance (well not for her, obviously, but for purposes of extrapolation).
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 14, 2020 13:37:54 GMT
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Post by agent69 on Oct 14, 2020 14:39:51 GMT
By the Labour controlled City Council.
I wonder how long it will be before Keir accuses them of incompetence?
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Post by michaelc on Oct 14, 2020 15:11:16 GMT
Interesting one that. I suppose with so many tests and aspiration of increasing further, you'd expect some mistakes. Perhaps the real mistake is not devising a suitable control to ensure it doesn't happen. Perhaps something as simple as have the tests sealed and scary warnings everywhere asking you to check its sealed....
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Post by benaj on Oct 14, 2020 15:34:24 GMT
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Post by benaj on Oct 14, 2020 15:45:55 GMT
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Post by agent69 on Oct 14, 2020 15:59:48 GMT
In what way is the BBC site better than this one, which is linked from the gov.uk site?
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Post by benaj on Oct 14, 2020 16:08:03 GMT
In what way is the BBC site better than this one, which is linked from the gov.uk site?
It gives out restriction rules and level information by post code. The interactive one doesnβt tell us what rules applied
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Post by michaelc on Oct 14, 2020 18:23:46 GMT
As an aside, does anyone know if there is/was/will-be a definition of what "essential travel" means?
In my case, I will want to leave the country by car to join my family on the other side of Europe. I haven't seen them for 2 months (due to a whole set of reasons I don't want to go into here). Its not work and not an emergency. I'm going as part of a process to emigrate permanently but I have not as yet applied for any immigration visa in the country of destination as the visiting visa is good enough for my needs right now.
Will it simply be at the discretion of any officer that stops me? In some ways that would be the worst and most stressful case as it would feel a bit arbitrary. I also wonder what proof (of what!) could I show?
Edit: I'm making an assumption that at some point I might well find myself in a tier3/red/whatever zone or be part of a "circuit-break"/lockdown and the phrase "essential travel" may get wheeled out again.
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Post by james100 on Oct 14, 2020 18:51:12 GMT
As an aside, does anyone know if there is/was/will-be a definition of what "essential travel" means? In my case, I will want to leave the country by car to join my family on the other side of Europe. I haven't seen them for 2 months (due to a whole set of reasons I don't want to go into here). Its not work and not an emergency. I'm going as part of a process to emigrate permanently but I have not as yet applied for any immigration visa in the country of destination as the visiting visa is good enough for my needs right now. Will it simply be at the discretion of any officer that stops me? In some ways that would be the worst and most stressful case as it would feel a bit arbitrary. I also wonder what proof (of what!) could I show? I think it's technically discretionary but of course that opens it up to others' opinion. If you have your name on a utility bill in destination country (or any evidence of ordinary residency in destination country like gym membership card) then I would take that just in case. I'm assuming you won't forget to notify HMRC of your official exit date (when you do that you can print out HMRC record with destination address on it) and know to take notes of your in/out details for the residency section of your tax returns and split year treatment etc.
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Post by travolta on Oct 14, 2020 18:51:13 GMT
I reckon you will get out OK but have to self isolate for a fortnight on return. This is what 'Youngest' has had to do, for anywhere east of Germany, (travelling for HM Gov).
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Post by Greenwood2 on Oct 14, 2020 19:04:03 GMT
As an aside, does anyone know if there is/was/will-be a definition of what "essential travel" means? In my case, I will want to leave the country by car to join my family on the other side of Europe. I haven't seen them for 2 months (due to a whole set of reasons I don't want to go into here). Its not work and not an emergency. I'm going as part of a process to emigrate permanently but I have not as yet applied for any immigration visa in the country of destination as the visiting visa is good enough for my needs right now. Will it simply be at the discretion of any officer that stops me? In some ways that would be the worst and most stressful case as it would feel a bit arbitrary. I also wonder what proof (of what!) could I show? Edit: I'm making an assumption that at some point I might well find myself in a tier3/red/whatever zone or be part of a "circuit-break"/lockdown and the phrase "essential travel" may get wheeled out again. Will the other country let you in, from a bad covid area in the UK or what will be the quarantine rules be there? And if you are driving across other countries what will they require?
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