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Post by duck on Oct 22, 2020 14:46:50 GMT
..... " Dear John Penrose MP (Conservative), Anti-Corruption Minister. Any chance you could investigate the close links between "NHS" Test and Trace and Serco?
I see that the head of Test and Trace, Dido Harding (Conservative peer) gave £12 billion to Serco to run their utterly shite attempt at testing and tracing. The CEO of Serco, Rupert Soames, is the brother of former Conservative MP Nicholas Soames, and is married to Conservative donor Camilla Dunne. The former Serco head of PR is the Health Minister, Edward Argar MP (Conservative). There was no bidding process for this £12 billion of public money.
Do you think that this head of Test and Trace should be investigated for corruption?
Or would you rather not seeing as you are married to her"? Dr Rant has missed a trick. Penrose and Harding met when they were both working for McKinzie who are doing rather nicely at present on tax payers money ..... however the contract that caught my eye was £563K (14K a day for 6 weeks) to define the 'vision, purpose and narrative' of the body to replace Public Health England, the very body that Harding now heads. Question, what does she bring to the party apart from former directors from Talk Talk and Sainsburys who employed her?
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Post by jo on Oct 22, 2020 15:35:45 GMT
It seems inconceivable to me that 12bn has been spent on test and trace.
I'd actually go as far as to say it's probably complete blolocks.
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Post by registerme on Oct 22, 2020 15:45:05 GMT
It seems inconceivable to me that 12bn has been spent on test and trace. I'd actually go as far as to say it's probably complete blolocks. www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2805
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Post by jo on Oct 22, 2020 16:04:30 GMT
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Post by james100 on Oct 22, 2020 16:04:54 GMT
..... " Dear John Penrose MP (Conservative), Anti-Corruption Minister. Any chance you could investigate the close links between "NHS" Test and Trace and Serco?
I see that the head of Test and Trace, Dido Harding (Conservative peer) gave £12 billion to Serco to run their utterly shite attempt at testing and tracing. The CEO of Serco, Rupert Soames, is the brother of former Conservative MP Nicholas Soames, and is married to Conservative donor Camilla Dunne. The former Serco head of PR is the Health Minister, Edward Argar MP (Conservative). There was no bidding process for this £12 billion of public money.
Do you think that this head of Test and Trace should be investigated for corruption?
Or would you rather not seeing as you are married to her"? Dr Rant has missed a trick. Penrose and Harding met when they were both working for McKinzie who are doing rather nicely at present on tax payers money ..... however the contract that caught my eye was £563K (14K a day for 6 weeks) to define the 'vision, purpose and narrative' of the body to replace Public Health England, the very body that Harding now heads. Question, what does she bring to the party apart from former directors from Talk Talk and Sainsburys who employed her? If I were selling her CV... - 3 years as head of NHS Improvement --> understands in-house capability limitations, key to driving change - C-level management consultancy experience --> should be good at effective procurement of (at least top-tier) consulting services - Extensive private sector experience --> operational focus rarely found in the public sector - Exemplary academics: Oxbridge, Harvard MBA But also... - McKinsey's rather high employee selection criteria + up or out policy = formidable alumni network throughout the private sector (industry + consulting) - Unwavering loyalty to the Conservative party and Tory agenda du jour Unfortunately I think those last two points are all that's been showcased over the past few months.
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Post by benaj on Oct 22, 2020 16:15:37 GMT
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Post by registerme on Oct 22, 2020 16:46:05 GMT
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Oct 22, 2020 17:33:27 GMT
So am I right in thinking then that Serco have control how "£12bn" is spent but there fee for the work is "just" £57m
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Post by michaelc on Oct 22, 2020 17:37:00 GMT
If my maths is correct 12B would buy you an army of nearly half a million people each earning 25K for a year. More than that because the 25K is gross and some would come back as taxes.
Yes I'm starting to get pretty <redacted by me> annoyed at this too.
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jo
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Post by jo on Oct 22, 2020 17:40:17 GMT
The popular trope is that the gov paid Serco 12bn for an Excel spreadsheet that didn't work. I've seen it shared a million times, but it's simply untrue. I have no idea how much they've paid them but Serco's latest world wide full year 2020 revenue guidance, dd 16th Oct, is ~3.7bn. I too am horrified that we can spend twelve thousand million on, well, pretty much anything really.
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Post by registerme on Oct 22, 2020 17:55:06 GMT
The popular trope is that the gov paid Serco 12bn for an Excel spreadsheet that didn't work. I've seen it shared a million times, but it's simply untrue. I agree, and that's just plain silly (but it is an easy headline). However what I think is not in dispute is that the government did hand over a lot of money to Serco, presumably to manage the Track and Trace programme and provide some profit on top. And they did so without scrutiny, without a competitive bidding process, and in what has to be considered a remarkably... hmmm, let's go with "chummy"... set of decision makers. It may have been expedient, and time was and remains an important commodity, but it was also complacent and arrogant. If the government are confident of their ground here then they will have no problem with any resulting scrutiny, right?
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Post by adrianc on Oct 22, 2020 17:58:25 GMT
The popular trope is that the gov paid Serco 12bn for an Excel spreadsheet that didn't work. I've seen it shared a million times, but it's simply untrue. I have no idea how much they've paid them but Serco's latest world wide full year 2020 revenue guidance, dd 16th Oct, is ~3.7bn. I too am horrified that we can spend twelve thousand million on, well, pretty much anything really. As ever, all the reporting is not actively inaccurate, but is overly simplistic. The test and trace system itself is not simply and entirely Serco. It is an agency under the Department of Health, headed by Baroness Dido Harding. That agency is reputed to have a budget of £12bn. It employs consultants from a variety of independent companies - including Deloitte, Serco, G4S, Mitie, Sodexho (all the usual suspects). Some of those consultants are reputed to be on fees of up to £7k/head/day. Deloitte are reputed to have had up to 1,100 staff working on the contract at any given time. The contact tracing is outsourced from the agency to Serco - in a contract reported to have been valued at £108m from the start of the contract until the end of August. That £108m contract will have included all the recharged outgoings - including the pay of the actual contact tracers - as well as Serco's fee. It is that contract that the "Excel 2003 XLS" scenario is likely to fall under. That Serco fee may well be in the £57m ballpark... But, of course, I rather suspect a lot of this is "commercially sensitive" and will not even actually be revealed to the inevitable future public enquiry...
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Post by dan1 on Oct 22, 2020 18:56:22 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Oct 22, 2020 19:11:03 GMT
The bit that leaps out at me from that... "...who is not focussed on strategy"They want somebody who will do EXACTLY what they say, without asking questions. A yes-man. Who can take the fall, when their experience in turning around failing call centres doesn't work (because it's the strategy that's broken)... They're trying to pin the blame on the phone-fodder.
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Post by benaj on Oct 22, 2020 19:27:52 GMT
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