adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Nov 30, 2020 22:56:47 GMT
I hear that David Davis will front the public health campaign with the slogan "There will be no downside to vaccination, only a considerable upside". Ohjaysus. We're doomed. <grabs nearest anti-vax placard>
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Post by martin44 on Nov 30, 2020 23:56:45 GMT
This sounds a little like Trump making a commitment for Biden. But yes we're up for the challenge!
It sounds achievable - at least on face value. Oh, and don't forget a significant proportion of the population are anti-vaxxers (well, at least until they realise they risk being ostracised). Only in your world. i forgot..... edit. Let me guess.............................................. School teacher? Please tell me im wrong.
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Post by adrianc on Dec 1, 2020 8:40:00 GMT
It sounds achievable - at least on face value. Oh, and don't forget a significant proportion of the population are anti-vaxxers (well, at least until they realise they risk being ostracised). Only in your world. i forgot..... edit. Let me guess.............................................. School teacher? Please tell me im wrong. Polling through the year has consistently put the "Uh-uh, not in my arm" brigade to somewhere around 10-15% of the population. Whether you wish to call that a "significant proportion" or not is another question, but they are definitely out there, and it's foolish to deny it.
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Post by benaj on Dec 1, 2020 16:43:22 GMT
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Post by moonraker on Dec 1, 2020 16:47:56 GMT
All the poll results that I've noticed have suggested that between 19 and 35% of people would refuse a jab. In some cases they were already anti-vaccers, others wondered about side-effects in the medium term.
At least 60-70% of the population would need to have immunity to break the chain of transmission, according to the World Health Organization.
I've just received an invitation to a 70th birthday celebration in London on June 20, postponed from mid-February. I've declined to commit myself.
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Post by mrk on Dec 1, 2020 17:47:51 GMT
All the poll results that I've noticed have suggested that between 19 and 35% of people would refuse a jab. In some cases they were already anti-vaccers, others wondered about side-effects in the medium term.
At least 60-70% of the population would need to have immunity to break the chain of transmission, according to the World Health Organization.
I've just received an invitation to a 70th birthday celebration in London on June 20, postponed from mid-February. I've declined to commit myself.
I think it's important to distinguish between anti-vaxxers and people who simply want more reassurances about these new Covid-19 vaccines, which isn't unreasonable since they haven't even been approved yet. According to this YouGov poll only 2% are against vaccines in general.
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Post by michaelc on Dec 2, 2020 14:39:57 GMT
What would somebody pay for a vaccine that was 100% effective, allowed you access to all foreign countries, and allowed you to lead a normal life at home? I suspect there would be a lot of people prepared to pay a lot more than £1,000.
Indeed but that's not the proposition. Talking of money, the current delay I think is with the regulations people. Given how many billions have been chucked around, do we think the BJ government is imaginative to see if by sufficiently incentivising the appropriate people (large, unheard of bonuses in the public sector for example) they could start working 24 hours a day? (Not individually obviously) If it turned out the multi week estimate was due to simply working 9-5 and allowing staff leave as normal etc I think quite a few people wouldn't be impressed. Looks like Mr Hancock and friends have read my post.
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Post by agent69 on Dec 2, 2020 15:20:46 GMT
Life in tier 2 after lockdown:
- Woken by alarm clock at 7:30am and hear that Pfizer vaccine has been approved
- Won £50 on premium bonds
- Round of golf
- Sausage egg and chips accompanied by a couple of pints in the pub lunchtime
- 40 winks on the couch
- Noticed that comrade Putin isn't happy that we have approved the Pfizer vaccine and has instructed his health authorities to vaccinate everyone in Russi next Tuesday afternoon
- While checking my finances I note that the £2k I used to open a Vanguard Lifestrategy account on Sunday has increased in value by 4p.
Happy days.
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Post by michaelc on Dec 2, 2020 18:38:44 GMT
I'm interested to know what other countries are doing regarding vaccines. Why vaccine and when is the expectation of rollout? I started looking at france. They really do seem several months behind us - maybe that will change. www.france24.com/en/france/20201201-france-hopes-to-offer-covid-19-vaccines-to-general-public-from-april-macron-saysCould the handling of this be the first thing this government gets right? * (*) I've criticized the government many, many times but I will never attack any government or party regardless. If they do a good job or I agree with something or not I'll always say so. Early days for now though....
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Post by mrk on Dec 2, 2020 19:23:23 GMT
I'm interested to know what other countries are doing regarding vaccines. Why vaccine and when is the expectation of rollout? I started looking at france. They really do seem several months behind us - maybe that will change. www.france24.com/en/france/20201201-france-hopes-to-offer-covid-19-vaccines-to-general-public-from-april-macron-saysCould the handling of this be the first thing this government gets right? * (*) I've criticized the government many, many times but I will never attack any government or party regardless. If they do a good job or I agree with something or not I'll always say so. Early days for now though.... The EMA (European Medicines Agency) is expected to decide on 29 Dec on the Pfizer/Biontech vaccine, so the rollout in EU countries will likely begin in January. There's been some criticism of the UK's decision to use the "emergency marketing authorisation" procedure for the approval. No idea if those concerns are legitimate or just political games. I certainly hope the UK rollout goes as quickly as possible, and the EMA also approves it and other European countries roll it out quickly as well.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Dec 2, 2020 19:52:11 GMT
I'm interested to know what other countries are doing regarding vaccines. Why vaccine and when is the expectation of rollout? I started looking at france. They really do seem several months behind us - maybe that will change. www.france24.com/en/france/20201201-france-hopes-to-offer-covid-19-vaccines-to-general-public-from-april-macron-saysCould the handling of this be the first thing this government gets right? * (*) I've criticized the government many, many times but I will never attack any government or party regardless. If they do a good job or I agree with something or not I'll always say so. Early days for now though.... The EMA (European Medicines Agency) is expected to decide on 29 Dec on the Pfizer/Biontech vaccine, so the rollout in EU countries will likely begin in January. There's been some criticism of the UK's decision to use the "emergency marketing authorisation" procedure for the approval. No idea if those concerns are legitimate or just political games. I certainly hope the UK rollout goes as quickly as possible, and the EMA also approves it and other European countries roll it out quickly as well. Unless a lot of people tested with the vaccine suddenly drop down dead after the end of the trial I don't understand what the delay is in Europe
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Post by agent69 on Dec 2, 2020 21:37:00 GMT
The EMA (European Medicines Agency) is expected to decide on 29 Dec on the Pfizer/Biontech vaccine, so the rollout in EU countries will likely begin in January. There's been some criticism of the UK's decision to use the "emergency marketing authorisation" procedure for the approval. No idea if those concerns are legitimate or just political games. I certainly hope the UK rollout goes as quickly as possible, and the EMA also approves it and other European countries roll it out quickly as well. Makes you wonder what would happen if the EMA refused to authorise it?
Realistically, if there are 300 people a day dying from the virus in UK, one person a day dying from the vaccine for the next 6 months would appear to be a bit of a result if we end up Covid free by the middle of next year.
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Dec 3, 2020 0:07:43 GMT
The EMA (European Medicines Agency) is expected to decide on 29 Dec on the Pfizer/Biontech vaccine, so the rollout in EU countries will likely begin in January. There's been some criticism of the UK's decision to use the "emergency marketing authorisation" procedure for the approval. No idea if those concerns are legitimate or just political games. I certainly hope the UK rollout goes as quickly as possible, and the EMA also approves it and other European countries roll it out quickly as well. Makes you wonder what would happen if the EMA refused to authorise it?
Realistically, if there are 300 people a day dying from the virus in UK, one person a day dying from the vaccine for the next 6 months would appear to be a bit of a result if we end up Covid free by the middle of next year.
For the first time I heard a rep from the Gov. (Prof Van Dam) saying he didn't expect Covid to ever go away now, but may well now be seasonal like flu.
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Post by adrianc on Dec 3, 2020 7:50:11 GMT
Makes you wonder what would happen if the EMA refused to authorise it?
Realistically, if there are 300 people a day dying from the virus in UK, one person a day dying from the vaccine for the next 6 months would appear to be a bit of a result if we end up Covid free by the middle of next year.
For the first time I heard a rep from the Gov. (Prof Van Dam) saying he didn't expect Covid to ever go away now, but may well now be seasonal like flu.
The number of diseases mankind has EVER managed to totally eliminate is utterly miniscule - smallpox is the only one I can think of offhand, and that took centuries - the last recorded case in the wild was within the last 40yrs or so, I think.
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Dec 3, 2020 9:06:43 GMT
For the first time I heard a rep from the Gov. (Prof Van Dam) saying he didn't expect Covid to ever go away now, but may well now be seasonal like flu.
The number of diseases mankind has EVER managed to totally eliminate is utterly miniscule - smallpox is the only one I can think of offhand, and that took centuries - the last recorded case in the wild was within the last 40yrs or so, I think.
Very true, though SARS was one. Pity we didn't stop this bug in the same way.
The only other I can think of is that we're near to eradicating Polio down to just handfuls of cases now(?)
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