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Post by dan1 on Dec 3, 2020 14:28:32 GMT
I'm sick of folk flock refusing to wear a mask!
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Post by michaelc on Dec 3, 2020 14:40:26 GMT
I'm getting a bit concerned and want someone to tell me I'm worrying unnecessarily, please. All of the vaccination schedules I've seen stop at the over 50's. Johnathan Van Tam has apparently suggested that private vaccinations will not be available. Murmurings abound of vaccination "passport" requirements for hospitality venues and international travel. I'm under 50. What am I missing? (except a vaccination and my freedom) I'm 49 and want to visit a country likely to be unvaccinated until at least the summer so I feel your pain ! Might need to travel somewhere to get it privately which sort of defeats the purpose. EDIT: This has been kicking around for a few days and might give us hope. www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/exclusive-nhs-planning-to-start-covid-vaccination-of-under-50s-by-end-of-january/7029015.articleEDIT2: And to keep more than half the population unvaccinated doesn't make sense does it ? I thought these relatively "low" efficacies (they're not 100% !) mean they work by reducing the number of hosts for the virus to infect. So they work best when I good proportion of the population is vaccinated. I thought ?
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Post by agent69 on Dec 3, 2020 17:31:00 GMT
From 04:00 GMT on Saturday, 5 December, the following people will no longer need to self-isolate when returning to England from a country not in a travel corridor:
- "High-value" business travellers
- Performing arts workers
- TV production staff
- Journalists
- Recently-signed sports professionals
For business travellers, their trips must result in a deal which creates or preserves 50 jobs or leads to a £100,000 investment or order, according to the Department for Transport.
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Post by michaelc on Dec 3, 2020 18:32:41 GMT
From 04:00 GMT on Saturday, 5 December, the following people will no longer need to self-isolate when returning to England from a country not in a travel corridor:
- "High-value" business travellers
- Performing arts workers
- TV production staff
- Journalists
- Recently-signed sports professionals
For business travellers, their trips must result in a deal which creates or preserves 50 jobs or leads to a £100,000 investment or order, according to the Department for Transport. yeah, and border force are left to check a letter that the business traveler is supposed to be carrying. No doubt anyone travelling in business class or above with a bit of letter headed paper will be waived through. Meanwhile, going to see my 3 year old children and family is not considered important.
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Post by james100 on Dec 3, 2020 18:42:34 GMT
From 04:00 GMT on Saturday, 5 December, the following people will no longer need to self-isolate when returning to England from a country not in a travel corridor:
- "High-value" business travellers
- Performing arts workers
- TV production staff
- Journalists
- Recently-signed sports professionals
For business travellers, their trips must result in a deal which creates or preserves 50 jobs or leads to a £100,000 investment or order, according to the Department for Transport. yeah, and border force are left to check a letter that the business traveler is supposed to be carrying. No doubt anyone travelling in business class or above with a bit of letter headed paper will be waived through. Meanwhile, going to see my 3 year old children and family is not considered important. I think becoming a performing artist might be the easiest way through this. Maybe I could just act like I'm "high-value" as I swan through passport control.
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Post by dan1 on Dec 3, 2020 20:23:48 GMT
I wonder how many of those received the dummy jabs are over 65 and confirmed positive with COVID. If one of them dies due to not receiving the real dose and infected by COVID, is this kind of trial even ethical? Provided the participants are fully informed and capable of understanding of the information they're provided then I don't see ethics being an issue. Those involved shouldn't do anything differently than if they hadn't been involved - half get placebo and the other half get a vaccine that may not even work. Ethics does play a part in emergency use authorisation because it's considered ethical to offer the vaccine to those participants who received the placebo. The problem is that you immediately cut short the long term data that would have been gained if EUA hadn't been granted.An interesting article on the ethical trade-off between unblinding a trial prematurely to vaccinate those who received the placebo and continuing the trial to gather longer term data in order to achieve full approval. A problem made all the more acute by the high efficacy of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines. Many Trial Volunteers Got Placebo Vaccines. Do They Now Deserve the Real Ones? www.nytimes.com/2020/12/02/health/covid-vaccine-placebo-group.htmlAt the time, Ms. Munz thought that anyone who had received the placebo would get the real vaccine as soon as the trial showed it was safe and effective. She looked forward to the peace of mind it would bring. But last month, she was asked to sign a modified consent form indicating that people who got the placebo might have to wait up to two years to get the vaccine, if they got one at all.I'd also not considered that participants can quite easily guess whether they'd received placebo or vaccine from the initial side effects (e.g. sore arm). Obvious of course. Do I remember hearing that some placebos were given the meningitis C vaccine (I could well be making that up)? Edit: for reference - science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/12/02/science.abf5084.fulleu.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/12/03/covid-19-vaccine-trials-raise-issues-volunteers-who-got-placebos/3795096001/
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Dec 3, 2020 21:19:48 GMT
Just watched Dr. Fauci say he misspoke when he said the Brits were too fast in clearing the vaccine for use against Covid.
The American know how to U-turn too, and I was thinking it was just us
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Post by agent69 on Dec 3, 2020 21:34:43 GMT
Just watched Dr. Fauci say he misspoke when he said the Brits were too fast in clearing the vaccine for use against Covid.
The American know how to U-turn to, and I was thinking it was just us
I couldn't help a bit of a snigger when I heard him praise the thoroughness of the FDA, saying how rigourous their safety checks were. Shame the same can't be said for the FAA.
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Dec 3, 2020 22:36:45 GMT
Just watched Dr. Fauci say he misspoke when he said the Brits were too fast in clearing the vaccine for use against Covid.
The American know how to U-turn too, and I was thinking it was just us
Its a rather curious 'no win' game all round really. If we (UK) had been amongst the last to clear it for use, there would have been the usual criticism of ineptitude and failure. The defense would clearly have been that others had been altogether too hasty and not followed protocol. On this occasion the shoe is on the other foot, and many are torn on what to believe. That clearly endangers take up. I guess Dr Fauci realised he was probably undermining confidence in the vaccine and took the smart option. Probably fairly safe in the knowledge that most Americans take absolutely no notice of events anywhere but America anyway. Two U turns always get you back where you wanted to be anyway, the trick is not to let people spot them both.
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Post by agent69 on Dec 4, 2020 15:03:28 GMT
Former Indian cricketer Harbhajan Singh is being panned on social media for suggesting that India doesn't need a vaccine (because recovery rates are so high).
Commentators are lamenting the fact that there's no vaccine for stupidity.
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Post by agent69 on Dec 4, 2020 16:15:29 GMT
Sky reporting that we will receive less of the Pfizer vaccing nest week than originally planned due to quality issues during manufacture.
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Post by michaelc on Dec 4, 2020 21:16:43 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Dec 5, 2020 11:34:23 GMT
The question with compulsory vaccination is how it would be enforced. If somebody chooses to try and evade the vaccination, deliberately missing all appointments made for them, what then...? Do the police attend their home, and physically restrain them while a nurse administers the vaccination? Or is it simply a question of issuing a small fixed penalty ticket?
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Post by michaelc on Dec 5, 2020 18:44:33 GMT
The question with compulsory vaccination is how it would be enforced. If somebody chooses to try and evade the vaccination, deliberately missing all appointments made for them, what then...? Do the police attend their home, and physically restrain them while a nurse administers the vaccination? Or is it simply a question of issuing a small fixed penalty ticket? A fixed penalty ticket which increases. If fines are ignored prison beckons with the ultimate sanction of forced injection. They manage it in the US even where the injection is going to kill the recipient. A decent gurney is required I believe.... These are some of the reasons why I would _not_ want to see it being made compulsory. I have no problem with companies denying access to their services based upon vaccination though. (pubs, planes etc)
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Post by martin44 on Dec 5, 2020 20:22:14 GMT
assuming the vaccination works, whats the problem with certain covidiots not having the vaccine.... 10 people in a room, 8 have been vaccinated 2 haven't.. the two idiots can only infect each other.
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