r00lish67
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Post by r00lish67 on Mar 6, 2020 9:41:56 GMT
I’m seriously pissed off with the media. The coronavirus hype is pathetic. I feel sorry for those who have convinced themselves that this is a doomsday scenario. The one death in England sounds like they were in their last year of life anyway. Newsflash: almost everybody is going to be fine. I’m not worried about supply chains either. Once it is clear that containment is not possible might as well get back to business as usual. Time for me to stop watching the news again. Regardless of one's view on how severe it will be, it doesn't take a behavioural expert to know that the BBC pushing "don't panic buy!" as their main headline on the radio, TV and online is somewhat counterproductive.
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cb25
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Post by cb25 on Mar 6, 2020 10:04:19 GMT
I did hear an expert say earlier today Can anybody enlighten me as to what a "non significant mortality impact" is? Perhaps it's like the Police writing up non-crime hate incidents, you don't die but somebody writes a report on it anyway?
southseacompany China might disagree about containment not working, with Reuters reporting today "China's Hubei reports no new coronavirus cases outside Wuhan"
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Post by benaj on Mar 6, 2020 10:18:36 GMT
Well, we have Harry and Meghan visiting the UK, Trump and his wife visiting India, William ad Kate visiting Ireland.
It's not too bad to travel I suppose.
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Post by gravitykillz on Mar 6, 2020 10:29:42 GMT
Well, we have Harry and Meghan visiting the UK, Trump and his wife visiting India, William ad Kate visiting Ireland. It's not too bad to travel I suppose. Those guys travel via private jet.
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Post by hazellend on Mar 6, 2020 10:30:59 GMT
Why is everyone panicking so much, I looked up the flu virus and that takes about 400,000 lives a year world wide, why don't we all panic about that every year? I know this corona virus is new and may have unexpected consequences but really! Panic & sensationalism creates great headlines & the press love a good story. Irresponsible storytelling is encouraging people to panic & act irrationally. Supermarket shelves are being stripped of essentials after the press publishes photos of empty supermarket shelves...library photos to boot! To date an elderly lady in her mid 70's has died after being previously treated for long term chronic health conditions. The long term effect of Corona will be a weakened global economy & large scale job losses. Short term yes. Long term no
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Post by Greenwood2 on Mar 6, 2020 11:02:09 GMT
Why is everyone panicking so much, I looked up the flu virus and that takes about 400,000 lives a year world wide, why don't we all panic about that every year? I know this corona virus is new and may have unexpected consequences but really! Well, for a start because the flu virus has a death rate of 0.1%, and covid-19 has a death rate of 3.4%. Do the maths. Covid 19 seems to be mild for young people, seems not to affect children much at all and has a death rate of maybe 8% in over 80s, who also have the highest death rate from the flu. Can you see Covid 19 even getting to 400,000 deaths per year worldwide or to be significantly worse than that? The target should be to protect the elderly not for the 'worried well' to panic all over the place.
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Post by southseacompany on Mar 6, 2020 11:48:41 GMT
southseacompany China might disagree about containment not working, with Reuters reporting today "China's Hubei reports no new coronavirus cases outside Wuhan" Of course officials would disagree, but most ordinary Chinese know the official story is a lie. A few days ago, a hospital here (east central China) had one member of staff confirmed positive, resulting in about 100 staff members being placed in quarantine. Both the confirmed case and the people under quarantine observation were suppressed from official statistics. The person who told me about this works in the hospital. I find it somewhat bizarre that anyone would take the official numbers at face value, in light of China's history of fake statistics on topics like GDP and air pollution. I appreciate there is some information asymmetry here, since I've known the person in the hospital for years, so I'm very confident this info is correct, while to you, this is second hand information relayed by an anonymous guy on the internet, so it's understandable you can't really act on it. You can get some idea about how ordinary people view the situation in this tweet about vice premier Sun Chunlan's recent propaganda visit to Wuhan.
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Post by wiseclerk on Mar 6, 2020 11:57:34 GMT
You can get some idea about how ordinary people view the situation in this tweet about vice premier Sun Chunlan's recent propaganda visit to Wuhan. Yeah, saw that report too. Commentators say they were surprised, that it (initially) was not surpressed and even carried on state media, but they thought it was an attempt of state media to participate and control the damage by giving its own comment as the videos have apparently widespread anyway.
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Post by registerme on Mar 6, 2020 13:17:23 GMT
I wonder how many tests have been performed in the UK / how aggressively testing is taking place in the UK?
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Post by james100 on Mar 6, 2020 13:25:53 GMT
I did hear an expert say earlier today Can anybody enlighten me as to what a "non significant mortality impact" is? I took it to mean that if you are already exiting the building (of life) the virus will shut the door behind you, but it's unlikely to kill unless you are already "unhealthy" through old age, general poor health or underlying related health condition.
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 6, 2020 13:34:04 GMT
I wonder how many tests have been performed in the UK / how aggressively testing is taking place in the UK? higher up the thread was a link to the world testing league table. In relative terms, the UK has been doing a lot of testing.
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iRobot
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Post by iRobot on Mar 6, 2020 14:00:28 GMT
I did hear an expert say earlier today Can anybody enlighten me as to what a "non significant mortality impact" is? For most people (i.e. those under age 70 and healthy), the disease is probably not particularly deadly? Just a little bit deadly then.  
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Post by cb25 on Mar 6, 2020 14:04:02 GMT
I did hear an expert say earlier today Can anybody enlighten me as to what a "non significant mortality impact" is? For most people (i.e. those under age 70 and healthy), the disease is probably not particularly deadly? Not so sure about that, e.g. this quotes 3.6% mortality rate for ages 60-69. Deadly enough.
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Post by IFISAcava on Mar 6, 2020 14:16:38 GMT
Not so sure about that, e.g. this quotes 3.6% mortality rate for ages 60-69. Deadly enough. Under age 60 and healthy then? I note that those with no pre-existing conditions have a death rate of 0.9%. Only a little bit deadly for them. The Diamond Princess suggest that half of people infected are asymptomatic, so in the real world those rates are probably halved as only those with symptoms are likely to be tested. To be fair, so would the rates for 'flu that we are comparing to.
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Post by cb25 on Mar 6, 2020 14:33:20 GMT
Under age 60 and healthy then? I note that those with no pre-existing conditions have a death rate of 0.9%. Only a little bit deadly for them. The Diamond Princess suggest that half of people infected are asymptomatic, so in the real world those rates are probably halved as only those with symptoms are likely to be tested. To be fair, so would the rates for 'flu that we are comparing to. If it were 0.9%, not sure I'd be up for a game of "we need 111 fit people, ages 60-69, one of which we'll kill, the only prize for the others is to go on living (for now)" 
However, clearly only affects those with Coronavirus and even Italy - worst affected country in Europe - has 99.99% unaffected according to current figures, though - as IFISAcava mentions - there may be a lot of uncounted cases.
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