benaj
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Post by benaj on Jan 13, 2021 16:32:51 GMT
I'm a bit late to this particular party but isn't the point about long distances to be vaccinated the same (or at least similar) as testing for the virus? By that I mean if you don't make it easily accessible to those who don't or can't drive then take up will be reduced. I firmly believe that by last autumn no-one within a reasonable size town should have to drive for a test and likewise for vaccinations by the start of this year (planning for vaccines have been at least 6 months in the making). Meanwhile, the jab in the US could be it’s a Disney Land ride. 🤣 Not sure how far people has to travel to get a jab. May be the point is to boost economy along the way, refuelling, getting food and drinks etc, souvenirs. www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/12/california-disneyland-covid-vaccine-distribution-site
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Post by IFISAcava on Jan 13, 2021 19:08:51 GMT
Sure. But the referendum was exclusively promised and designed by the Conservative and Unionist Party. Any sensible EU referendum policy would have foreseen the possibility that separate countries of the United Kingdom might vote differently (as well as specify in advance the processes if there was a Leave vote). But the Conservative and Unionist party has essentially been taken over by a mixture of UKIP, populists, extremists and self-interested chancers. It is not even vaguely a Unionist Party now, it is an English Nationalist Party, and an anti-business one at that. And yet with a massive 650 constituencies out there, they still come to power. Somebody must like them. If only Labour had done a better job in the past, eh, instead of the nonsense they've been serving up, these "populists" and "extremists" wouldn't be holding the reins. For sure a plurality preferred them to the only alternative, and in our useless electoral system that gives them an unassailable majority to do as they please. Don't get me wrong, Labour has been cr*p too. But as a nation we are increasingly poorly served by a two party, first past the post system. Until we change that we will continue to get the rubbish politics we see.
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Post by IFISAcava on Jan 13, 2021 19:11:14 GMT
Die hard remainers will never stop dragging it all up again, even in unrelated topics. Actually, if you go back a couple of pages, it was bernythedolt who first mentioned it, as a joke, followed by littleoldlady who raised the subject more fully... And I took Berny's bait, in a semi joking way! I think Corona is so depressing now, and we are so inured to the horrors of Brexit, that discussing Brexit feels like light relief.
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Post by IFISAcava on Jan 13, 2021 19:18:11 GMT
Actually, if you go back a couple of pages, it was bernythedolt who first mentioned it, as a joke, followed by littleoldlady who raised the subject more fully... Any excuse to keep on about it eh........ Quite - can't let Brexiteers (or Keir Starmer) think it is all done and over with now, can we? Anyway, I would have thought Brexiteers would want to keep talking about how great Brexit has made things.
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Post by benaj on Jan 13, 2021 19:31:13 GMT
And yet with a massive 650 constituencies out there, they still come to power. Somebody must like them. If only Labour had done a better job in the past, eh, instead of the nonsense they've been serving up, these "populists" and "extremists" wouldn't be holding the reins. For sure a plurality preferred them to the only alternative, and in our useless electoral system that gives them an unassailable majority to do as they please. Don't get me wrong, Labour has been cr*p too. But as a nation we are increasingly poorly served by a two party, first past the post system. Until we change that we will continue to get the rubbish politics we see. So, does anyone how to kickstart know a better system like Demark, Finland in Britain?
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Post by IFISAcava on Jan 13, 2021 22:12:23 GMT
For sure a plurality preferred them to the only alternative, and in our useless electoral system that gives them an unassailable majority to do as they please. Don't get me wrong, Labour has been cr*p too. But as a nation we are increasingly poorly served by a two party, first past the post system. Until we change that we will continue to get the rubbish politics we see. So, does anyone how to kickstart know a better system like Demark, Finland in Britain? Go back to the Jenkins Commission report on electoral reform that Labour published in 1998, which proposed a new system. It was put on hold whilst we waited to see how well a similar one for the Scottish Parliament worked. We have seen that it works so should go ahead. The overriding problem is that the two main parties have a complete self interest in keeping the old system going.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 14, 2021 8:30:45 GMT
For sure a plurality preferred them to the only alternative, and in our useless electoral system that gives them an unassailable majority to do as they please. Don't get me wrong, Labour has been cr*p too. But as a nation we are increasingly poorly served by a two party, first past the post system. Until we change that we will continue to get the rubbish politics we see. So, does anyone how to kickstart know a better system like Demark, Finland in Britain? Getting shot of a sizable swathe of the population would be a start. Not homicidally or euthenasiastically, obvs. Maybe some kind of pandemic that <thinks about reactionary right-wing demographic> disproportionately affected the old, obese, and those who deliberately refused to take basic precautions...? Hmm.
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Post by benaj on Jan 14, 2021 8:41:41 GMT
So, does anyone how to kickstart know a better system like Demark, Finland in Britain? Getting shot of a sizable swathe of the population would be a start. Not homicidally or euthenasiastically, obvs. Maybe some kind of pandemic that <thinks about reactionary right-wing demographic> disproportionately affected the old, obese, and those who deliberately refused to take basic precautions...? Hmm. youtu.be/SWlUKJIMge4Unless most of voters are educated for real democracy, different voting system, different party politics won’t give us a better outcome The current system is unfit to deal with crisis. Expertise in the current cabinet? Why are most people are happy to vote for amateurs? youtu.be/ALXsaT6bqL0
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Post by adrianc on Jan 14, 2021 8:54:43 GMT
<removes tongue from cheek> Oh, absolutely. Until people start to realise that their vote does not count towards anything other than their local MP, that one named individual on the ballot paper... I realised something the other day. I have never, not once in my life, lived in a constituency when it's changed party representation. And I've lived in six different constituencies at election time. I've never once voted for the candidate that's won the seat. Why are most people are happy to vote for amateurs? Interesting, isn't it? "Professional politician" is used as a term of disparagement. People who have politics as their secondary career are seen to know more about "real life". Whatever that might be. And then we go and vote for people who have absolutely no link with the constituency they're representing, having been parachuted in to a safe seat as a reward for their party(-leader) loyalty.
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Post by IFISAcava on Jan 14, 2021 10:15:17 GMT
<removes tongue from cheek> Oh, absolutely. Until people start to realise that their vote does not count towards anything other than their local MP, that one named individual on the ballot paper... I realised something the other day. I have never, not once in my life, lived in a constituency when it's changed party representation. And I've lived in six different constituencies at election time. I've never once voted for the candidate that's won the seat. Why are most people are happy to vote for amateurs? Interesting, isn't it? "Professional politician" is used as a term of disparagement. People who have politics as their secondary career are seen to know more about "real life". Whatever that might be. And then we go and vote for people who have absolutely no link with the constituency they're representing, having been parachuted in to a safe seat as a reward for their party(-leader) loyalty. And before we know it the country is run by journalists
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Post by james100 on Jan 14, 2021 10:26:32 GMT
I'm a bit late to this particular party but isn't the point about long distances to be vaccinated the same (or at least similar) as testing for the virus? By that I mean if you don't make it easily accessible to those who don't or can't drive then take up will be reduced. I firmly believe that by last autumn no-one within a reasonable size town should have to drive for a test and likewise for vaccinations by the start of this year (planning for vaccines have been at least 6 months in the making). Meanwhile, the jab in the US could be it’s a Disney Land ride. 🤣 Not sure how far people has to travel to get a jab. May be the point is to boost economy along the way, refuelling, getting food and drinks etc, souvenirs. www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/12/california-disneyland-covid-vaccine-distribution-siteThis is now already in full swing; an acquaintance who lives in Orange County shared his CDC/Disney vaccination record card on FB this morning (early 70's, got Moderna yesterday). You book a slot through an app, check in then have to wait in your car before being called up in small groups. Looks very well organised and efficient (high local level of car ownership).
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Post by james100 on Jan 14, 2021 10:29:00 GMT
<removes tongue from cheek> Oh, absolutely. Until people start to realise that their vote does not count towards anything other than their local MP, that one named individual on the ballot paper... I realised something the other day. I have never, not once in my life, lived in a constituency when it's changed party representation. And I've lived in six different constituencies at election time. I've never once voted for the candidate that's won the seat. Interesting, isn't it? "Professional politician" is used as a term of disparagement. People who have politics as their secondary career are seen to know more about "real life". Whatever that might be. And then we go and vote for people who have absolutely no link with the constituency they're representing, having been parachuted in to a safe seat as a reward for their party(-leader) loyalty. And before we know it the country is run by journalists Journalists, lawyers and hedge fund managers. People who make their living out of spin, arguing and making cash out of destruction.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 14, 2021 11:24:15 GMT
20m doses of vaccine in the country. Somewhere out there is a phial with my name on it.
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Post by ilmoro on Jan 14, 2021 11:28:06 GMT
20m doses of vaccine in the country. Somewhere out there is a phial with my name on it. Not yet, most of its still in the bathtub ... you'll need your goggles
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Post by r00lish67 on Jan 14, 2021 11:46:02 GMT
Ref: everyone's favourite new hobby, COVID rules compliance, an interesting threadTLDR; Compliance with the vast majority of rules is actually pretty good. The problem appears to be compliance with the most important rule of all: self-isolating when you have COVID or have recently been in contact with someone who has. ..and who's not doing it right? Over 20% of people 60+ are not self-isolating for even a single day, compared with virtually no 18-29 year olds doing that. Apparently. edit: To be fair, I think this can hardly count as bulletproof data for various reasons. Still, an interesting counter to the view some may have of young people being irresponsible. edit2: and sorry I had wanted to draw a line under that discussion really, but my self-control let me down when I read this thread edit3: just to say that being more serious about this, as some people have commented, there are some understandable possible reasons for this. Daily social contact via going to the shops is a very deep habit for some older people, and unsurprisingly too they're less willing to switch to digital alternatives for company and/or shopping.
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