michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Jan 16, 2021 18:34:58 GMT
If the disease only affected students and the young, how much would you be willing to change your life and for how long? If you're meaning it "only affects the old", then that's simply wrong. There is no single demographic group that it affects. Young, old, white, BAME, male, female, ill, well. Some worse than others, sure. But it affects EVERYBODY. And it isn't a binary outcome of "die or be fine", either. Long covid is going to be affecting a LOT of people for a long while to come. I don't mind you disagreeing with me on (it turns out) most things but I suggest you don't lower the tone of the conversation to promoting untruths. There is no doubt at all that in general, the older you are the more likely you are to suffer from this nasty virus. Suggesting it affects people even remotely equally is plain false. I won't engage further on this as I wouldn't with anti-vaxers etc or anyone else that peddles rubbish to suit their argument. By all means bring up selective facts - that's fine we all do that.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 16, 2021 18:36:26 GMT
If you're meaning it "only affects the old", then that's simply wrong. There is no single demographic group that it affects. Young, old, white, BAME, male, female, ill, well. Some worse than others, sure. But it affects EVERYBODY. And it isn't a binary outcome of "die or be fine", either. Long covid is going to be affecting a LOT of people for a long while to come. I don't mind you disagreeing with me on (it turns out) most things but I suggest you don't lower the tone of the conversation to promoting untruths. There is no doubt at all that in general, the older you are the more likely you are to suffer from this nasty virus. Suggesting it affects people even remotely equally is plain false. I won't engage further on this as I wouldn't with anti-vaxers etc or anyone else that peddles rubbish to suit their argument. By all means bring up selective facts - that's fine we all do that. Please do not tell me not to say things I not only didn't say, but actively said the opposite. Especially when quoting that.
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Post by benaj on Jan 16, 2021 18:41:20 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-wales-55667624Perhaps, all the 4 nations should follow the steps of Welsh restrictions. Wales is leading the race reducing the spread across the 4 nations. At least they are making things obvious what people should do and shouldn’t do.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 16, 2021 18:58:59 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-wales-55667624Perhaps, all the 4 nations should follow the steps of Welsh restrictions. Wales is leading the race reducing the spread across the 4 nations. At least they are making things obvious what people should do and shouldn’t do.
New laws for shoppers and staff are to be introduced after "significant evidence" coronavirus is being spread in supermarkets, the first minister has said.
I remember reading this article yesterday and thinking what a crock of s***, and I remember thinking this is straight from my 'lacks perspective' list.
Covid is spread everywhere, but some places are a lot higher risk that others. If the article said there were 50,000 new infections yesterday and 5,000 of those happened in supermarkets it would have relevance. But just to say an unspecified number of people are catching it (could be 1 peron a day), it's pretty meaningless.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 16, 2021 19:00:47 GMT
I thought there was talk in this country of getting social media influencers involved with the vaccine roll out (through supporting it rather than having it), as this may encourage those who are currently waivering to take the plunge.
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Post by benaj on Jan 16, 2021 19:10:21 GMT
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Post by dan1 on Jan 16, 2021 19:12:29 GMT
The MRC BSU (see here) estimate an attack rate of 19% (18% to 20% at 95% CI) for England. Assuming that's valid across UK we get to something like 12.7m infections.... FWIW Those who had the virus will still be offered a vaccine anyway. Yup. I guess in theory you'd want to prioritise those who hadn't had the virus in order to build immunity across your target demographic that bit faster. However, in practice how do you differentiate given only about a third of infections have had a positive test? AB testing just prior to vaccination is gonna leave many people very unhappy (whether that's rational or not!)*. And the last thing we need is yet another disincentive to get tested. You'd think twice before getting a test in case it jeopardised your place in the vaccine queue. I guess it would only make sense if vaccines were scarce. *perhaps a secret AB test followed by your injection with placebo for those whose ABs indicate prior infection!
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Post by mrk on Jan 16, 2021 19:20:43 GMT
Never seen the rules enforced properly anywhere. Even if they stop those without a mask from entering the shop, there are always the "smart" ones that lower the mask so it doesn't cover their nose or even their mouth.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 16, 2021 19:32:44 GMT
Never seen the rules enforced properly anywhere. Even if they stop those without a mask from entering the shop, there are always the "smart" ones that lower the mask so it doesn't cover their nose or even their mouth. I'm equidistant from Morrisons and Tesco, and tend to use Morrison most as they have always appeared a bit more proactive in enforcing the rules. Was in there yesterday and there appeared to be 100% compliance with mask wearing (in fairness it always was high). There's also a smaller Tesco Express nearby, and compliance there always looks lower.
I suspect the larger the town / city the bigger the compliance issue might be.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jan 16, 2021 20:36:55 GMT
Just like young people have older people who are important in their life, older people have younger people in their lives that they would want to protect. As long as it takes should be everyone's answer. And as Adrianc said Covid isn't picky, you could be young and fit and still die from it."Could", yes. But relative to the older population, much much less likely. And therefore the relative risk it carries to you relative to other life risks is substantially less the younger you are.
The following article looks interesting, though I've only skim read it, and as it was published end of Sept and uses a date set up to mid June, is of course a touch out of date.
Some eye catching statements/numbers in there. For example; "the risks of catching and dying from the virus vary 10 000 fold depending on age...".
there is in effect an exponential increase in risk relative to age.
The main point was that in michaelc's reverse scenario old people would not want to put young people at risk.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 17, 2021 9:17:48 GMT
Media reporting about 320,000 people vaccinated yesterday.
10 more mega vac stations coming on line next week, including one at Taunton racecourse (which relatively speaking is just down the road if you can get your passport stamped to get into Somerset)
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Post by benaj on Jan 17, 2021 12:01:11 GMT
Meanwhile, the network has decided not to pay too much coverage of the 23 incidents in Norway www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149Really odd, isn’t it? 🤔 not even our Guardian
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Post by aju on Jan 17, 2021 12:38:58 GMT
Meanwhile, the network has decided not to pay too much coverage of the 23 incidents in Norway www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149Really odd, isn’t it? 🤔 not even our Guardian Mrs aju says this story was reported in the Daily Mail last week and also LBC discussed it too. the article suggests and Norway was primarily targeting care home residents but it's worth a full read though. as you say though odd it wasn't widely reported although its expected the Mail would report it I suppose!.
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Post by benaj on Jan 17, 2021 12:52:32 GMT
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jan 17, 2021 13:09:22 GMT
I read somewhere that they are going to start assessing frail old peoples health before administering the vaccine. I would have thought that would have been a requirement from the beginning.
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