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Post by travolta on Jan 30, 2020 20:44:12 GMT
Is it anygood? I cant findanything to watch these days
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Post by benaj on Jan 30, 2020 20:50:33 GMT
Is it anygood? I cant findanything to watch these days It's better than watching Brexit Countdown.
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Post by james100 on Jan 30, 2020 21:00:17 GMT
Is it anygood? I cant findanything to watch these days Amazon's got a Limited Deal on Blu-ray version of Stephen King's The Stand right now, cheeky global opportunists that they are. Not kidding.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 30, 2020 21:31:45 GMT
Well that went well....I see it's officially a global crisis now and face-masks have sold out. The reason British are last expats left standing in Wuhan is because the FO are rubbish by the way. Having been caught up in a military-type crisis on foreign shores myself, I can confidently opine they are the least competent FO in the developed world. It will be interesting to see what happens in the markets tomorrow, anyway. I think there are plenty others slower than us to react.
What I don't understand is, if Wuhan is in lock down how do you get to the airport. It's not like you can just give Uber a call
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Post by keitha on Jan 30, 2020 22:18:56 GMT
listening to the radio some of these people think they will be back at work on Monday.
The only sensible thing to do is take them off the plane , put then in an adapted bus with -ve pressure, so no air gets out, what gets in is filtered before going out.
then they are taken directly to an isolation unit for 14 days, if none show symptoms in 14 days then release them if any have symptoms keep them all for a further 14 days ( and repeat until All clear for 14 days)
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Post by bernythedolt on Jan 30, 2020 23:37:26 GMT
Well that went well....I see it's officially a global crisis now and face-masks have sold out. The reason British are last expats left standing in Wuhan is because the FO are rubbish by the way. Having been caught up in a military-type crisis on foreign shores myself, I can confidently opine they are the least competent FO in the developed world. It will be interesting to see what happens in the markets tomorrow, anyway. Pay peanuts, get monkeys. Be honest, hands up how many of you supported Maggie wholeheartedly when she stuck the boot into the Civil Service in the 80s? The media certainly loved it and the private sector made no secret of despising the CS. It was predicted back then that the best brains would no longer head for a CS career as a direct result. We now reap the benefits of that policy. We were once renowned for having the best CS in the world. Many Civil Servants today are right on the breadline. Wages are seriously low for most, but who cares? They are not in a sexy job like nurses, police or fire service, so nobody gives a monkey's. An old article, but no wonder the brains went elsewhere... www.theguardian.com/public-leaders-network/2014/mar/05/civil-service-earn-half-private-sector"Civil service pay has been a problem for years – it is just not discussed much in public. But uncompetitive pay hit the spotlight last week when the Ministry of Defence (MoD) announced that civil service pay is too low to attract the right people for some of its most critical roles"
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Post by cb25 on Jan 31, 2020 9:59:26 GMT
BBC reporting "Two coronavirus cases confirmed in UK"
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Post by ozboy on Jan 31, 2020 10:43:31 GMT
Well that went well....I see it's officially a global crisis now and face-masks have sold out. The reason British are last expats left standing in Wuhan is because the FO are rubbish by the way. Having been caught up in a military-type crisis on foreign shores myself, I can confidently opine they are the least competent FO in the developed world. It will be interesting to see what happens in the markets tomorrow, anyway. Pay peanuts, get monkeys. Be honest, hands up how many of you supported Maggie wholeheartedly when she stuck the boot into the Civil Service in the 80s? The media certainly loved it and the private sector made no secret of despising the CS. It was predicted back then that the best brains would no longer head for a CS career as a direct result. We now reap the benefits of that policy. We were once renowned for having the best CS in the world. Many Civil Servants today are right on the breadline. Wages are seriously low for most, but who cares? They are not in a sexy job like nurses, police or fire service, so nobody gives a monkey's. An old article, but no wonder the brains went elsewhere... www.theguardian.com/public-leaders-network/2014/mar/05/civil-service-earn-half-private-sector"Civil service pay has been a problem for years – it is just not discussed much in public. But uncompetitive pay hit the spotlight last week when the Ministry of Defence (MoD) announced that civil service pay is too low to attract the right people for some of its most critical roles"We are veering right off topic here, but don't many Civil Servants accept lower pay to work in Government because of the VERY generous SUPER gold-plated Pension Scheme? Which sort of makes up a shortfall from the "low wages"?
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Post by bernythedolt on Jan 31, 2020 11:15:43 GMT
Pay peanuts, get monkeys. Be honest, hands up how many of you supported Maggie wholeheartedly when she stuck the boot into the Civil Service in the 80s? The media certainly loved it and the private sector made no secret of despising the CS. It was predicted back then that the best brains would no longer head for a CS career as a direct result. We now reap the benefits of that policy. We were once renowned for having the best CS in the world. Many Civil Servants today are right on the breadline. Wages are seriously low for most, but who cares? They are not in a sexy job like nurses, police or fire service, so nobody gives a monkey's. An old article, but no wonder the brains went elsewhere... www.theguardian.com/public-leaders-network/2014/mar/05/civil-service-earn-half-private-sector"Civil service pay has been a problem for years – it is just not discussed much in public. But uncompetitive pay hit the spotlight last week when the Ministry of Defence (MoD) announced that civil service pay is too low to attract the right people for some of its most critical roles"We are veering right off topic here, but don't many Civil Servants accept lower pay to work in Government because of the VERY generous SUPER gold-plated Pension Scheme? Which sort of makes up a shortfall from the "low wages"? That's the myth the media like to portray. Last time I checked, the average CS pension was around £8k, and well below NHS and teachers. It's also subject to the lower CPI annual increases, while private sector pensions largely get the more generous RPI. Hardly gold-plated.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 31, 2020 11:48:42 GMT
That's the myth the media like to portray. Last time I checked, the average CS pension was around £8k, and well below NHS and teachers. It's also subject to the lower CPI annual increases, while private sector pensions largely get the more generous RPI. Hardly gold-plated. Acouple of issues with your post:
- Quoting an average CS pension is misleading as it will include people who were only in the scheme for a short period of time. The average may be less than NHS or teachers, but that could be because the churn rate is higher.
- I am in a private sector DB scheme and my increases are linked to CPI.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 31, 2020 11:53:05 GMT
Back on topic, I see that the 2 uk cases are up north, so still safe in sunny Devon. To keep things in perspective:
- death rate from Ebola - 50%
- death rate from SARS - 10%
- death rate from Coronavirus likely to be <2%
No reason to be complacent, but hardly armageddon
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 31, 2020 12:24:25 GMT
That's the myth the media like to portray. Last time I checked, the average CS pension was around £8k, and well below NHS and teachers. It's also subject to the lower CPI annual increases, while private sector pensions largely get the more generous RPI. Hardly gold-plated. Acouple of issues with your post:
- Quoting an average CS pension is misleading as it will include people who were only in the scheme for a short period of time. The average may be less than NHS or teachers, but that could be because the churn rate is higher.
- I am in a private sector DB scheme and my increases are linked to CPI.
Not just "misleading" but near as damn "utterly irrelevant" (without considerable extra context).
Anyway, most (but of course not all) of the UK , with the exception of the public sector are now on DC schemes, and not the luxury of reasonably generous DB schemes of any form.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jan 31, 2020 14:16:36 GMT
Quoting an average CS pension is misleading as it will include people who were only in the scheme for a short period of time. The average may be less than NHS or teachers, but that could be because the churn rate is higher.
Not just "misleading" but near as damn "utterly irrelevant" (without considerable extra context).
I used the simplest metric available for comparison purposes. Feel free to substitute your preferred measure and I look forward to hearing it. Whatever form it takes, I'll wager CS pensions do not come out anywhere near gold-plated. For starters, if you accept CS salaries have been depressed over recent decades and pensions were a function of that salary, it follows that the pension itself will hardly be overly generous. Successive MPs determined to attack and deride their own CS (as an easy target, being generally despised by the public) have seen to that. We now have the CS we deserve.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jan 31, 2020 17:15:54 GMT
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Post by agent69 on Jan 31, 2020 17:53:20 GMT
Quoting an average CS pension is misleading as it will include people who were only in the scheme for a short period of time. The average may be less than NHS or teachers, but that could be because the churn rate is higher.
Not just "misleading" but near as damn "utterly irrelevant" (without considerable extra context).
Feel free to substitute your preferred measure and I look forward to hearing it. Whatever form it takes, I'll wager CS pensions do not come out anywhere near gold-plated. For starters, if you accept CS salaries have been depressed over recent decades and pensions were a function of that salary, it follows that the pension itself will hardly be overly generous. Successive MPs determined to attack and deride their own CS (as an easy target, being generally despised by the public) have seen to that. We now have the CS we deserve. I suspect you used the one that best supported your position
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