iren
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Post by iren on Jan 31, 2020 18:09:46 GMT
The point is that quoting how much people get without any idea of length of service or whether it relates to full or part time work isn’t just devoid of context but totally meaningless, whether or not quoted by some official.
I am a deferred member of a DB pension scheme from my first employer, which will pay me £4100 a year according to the latest update. Clearly that proves that civil servants are rich doesn’t it, as I’ll get about half what they do.
Like all private sector schemes I’m aware of, my scheme has been altered to update in accordance with CPI, and it’s no longer available to new staff to join or for existing staff to continue in (all are now deferred members).
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Post by keitha on Jan 31, 2020 18:22:15 GMT
I once met a lady who worked as a part time registrar Covering holidays etc,
She did 10 years of 10 hours per week 6 weeks a year ( which I make about 1/30 of full time ) ( or 1/3 or a year over the 10)
She then did 2 years 10 hours per week 46 weeks a year ( so 1/2 a years pension )
She was moaning bitterly that her pension was only about £25 a month, she thought it should be at least £200
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Post by bernythedolt on Jan 31, 2020 19:47:38 GMT
I used the simplest metric available for comparison purposes. Feel free to substitute your preferred measure and I look forward to hearing it. Whatever form it takes, I'll wager CS pensions do not come out anywhere near gold-plated. For starters, if you accept CS salaries have been depressed over recent decades and pensions were a function of that salary, it follows that the pension itself will hardly be overly generous. Successive MPs determined to attack and deride their own CS (as an easy target, being generally despised by the public) have seen to that. We now have the CS we deserve. I suspect you used the one that best supported your position Please don't accuse me of intellectual dishonesty. I used the obvious and natural comparator, the average. Note Lord Hutton used the same metric in his independent report. Do you and iren not think he and his supporting researchers and academics took into account obvious factors like hours worked, and length of service, before concluding that CS pensions are not gold-plated? In any case, I refer the honourable gentleman to my earlier answer: feel free to present your own counter-argument and evidence that supports CS pensions being VERY generous and gold-plated, which was the original assertion. Otherwise it behoves you to accept Lord Hutton's statement.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jan 31, 2020 20:37:16 GMT
BBC reporting "Two coronavirus cases confirmed in UK" In York! Though they’ve been taken to a hospital in Newcastle. Staying in a hotel, so maybe tourists looking round the historic sites? possibly chinese tourists? Going to Sunderland tomorrow so slightly relieved the source is in York, although risk is extremely slight either way.
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Post by djay on Jan 31, 2020 20:59:54 GMT
Back on topic, I see that the 2 uk cases are up north, so still safe in sunny Devon. To keep things in perspective:
- death rate from Ebola - 50%
- death rate from SARS - 10%
- death rate from Coronavirus likely to be <2%
No reason to be complacent, but hardly armageddon
The biggest risk with this one is that it becomes endemic. The consequence of that are far greater than the SARS or ebola risks.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Feb 2, 2020 21:22:17 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't a number of these diseases cross-over because humans have sex and/or interfere with animals?
IF so, it makes eminent sense to me to be, shall we say, more "circumspect" when dealing with countries where such practices are more likely to occur? Political Correctness and it's Cousins are all well and good, but I don't want to die from them. Especially through no fault of my own. Most of the suspect animals, bats, snakes, fish and small mammals would be a physiological impossibility and the larger mammals extremely dangerous to mess with. I think the risk of diseases passing to humans is more due to hunting, killing, butchering, displaying in markets and eating 'bush/wild meat', with who knows what diseases under insanitary conditions where diseases can thrive.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Feb 2, 2020 21:27:46 GMT
I get the impression that its just the sufferers with preexisting conditions that get wiped out. Why do they all seem to originate in China? Is it people living close to animals/poultry? If so,why not India or other similar? Is it acold climate thing? Most people in India are Hindu or Muslim and don't generally eat meat, so there aren't the same sort of meat markets and wholesale killing of all sorts of animals for food.
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Post by james100 on Feb 3, 2020 10:37:07 GMT
So I see the (reported) death tally is currently 362 which seems large enough to attempt to derive some generalizations from.
Does anyone know if this has been done yet? Do we have any demographic profiling by age or underlying health condition of those that have died?
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Post by bracknellboy on Feb 3, 2020 10:42:33 GMT
So I see the (reported) death tally is currently 362 which seems large enough to attempt to derive some generalizations from. Does anyone know if this has been done yet? Do we have any demographic profiling by age or underlying health condition of those that have died? Most of the news reports for a while have been mentioning the underlying health conditions which make for higher risk of mortality. From memory, diabetes, heart conditions and pre-existing respitory conditions. None of which would be much of a surprise I guess.
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Post by jonno on Feb 3, 2020 10:56:36 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't a number of these diseases cross-over because humans have sex and/or interfere with animals?
IF so, it makes eminent sense to me to be, shall we say, more "circumspect" when dealing with countries where such practices are more likely to occur? Political Correctness and it's Cousins are all well and good, but I don't want to die from them. Especially through no fault of my own. Ah!!!!!! So that's what the saying "Tie me Kangaroo down sport" was all about. I was never too sure what the purpose of this was until now  
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Post by r00lish67 on Feb 3, 2020 11:11:34 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't a number of these diseases cross-over because humans have sex and/or interfere with animals?
IF so, it makes eminent sense to me to be, shall we say, more "circumspect" when dealing with countries where such practices are more likely to occur? Political Correctness and it's Cousins are all well and good, but I don't want to die from them. Especially through no fault of my own. Ah!!!!!! So that's what the saying "Tie me Kangaroo down sport" was all about. I was never too sure what the purpose of this was until now Sadism & Marsupials
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Post by cb25 on Feb 3, 2020 12:40:33 GMT
BBC report about the second flight of Brits out of Wuhan: "Coronavirus: One Briton 'fell ill' during Wuhan evacuation flight"
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Post by michaelc on Feb 3, 2020 14:42:04 GMT
Seems like he developed "mild, cold like symptoms". That could still progress I suppose - I don't know how the symptoms of Coronavirus typically manifests themselves.
One question I have is why can't the folk being quarantined simply be tested for the virus? If clear, then free to go now etc.....
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Post by daveb on Feb 3, 2020 15:57:18 GMT
I think that's because of the difficulty of detecting the virus until it's multiplied within the body. And once there's enough virus to detect, there's enough to make you ill. Though I don't claim great expertise on this.
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Post by keitha on Feb 3, 2020 18:28:45 GMT
I think that's because of the difficulty of detecting the virus until it's multiplied within the body. And once there's enough virus to detect, there's enough to make you ill. Though I don't claim great expertise on this. agreed
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