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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 30, 2020 15:27:00 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't a number of these diseases cross-over because humans have sex and/or interfere with animals?
IF so, it makes eminent sense to me to be, shall we say, more "circumspect" when dealing with countries where such practices are more likely to occur? Political Correctness and it's Cousins are all well and good, but I don't want to die from them. Especially through no fault of my own. You mean like asking the Brits to stop eating beef so that we don't get BSE crossing over from bovine's who in turn got it because we fed them meat and bone meal products containing the remains of other bovines and/or scrapie infected sheep ? When all they really were asking for was a nice field of green grass so they could "chew the cud" ?
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Post by ozboy on Jan 30, 2020 15:29:36 GMT
Not quite the same thing, but fair enough, I knew my posting would stir it up.  PS: And your example is "Home Grown", not "Imported"? |
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 30, 2020 15:42:23 GMT
Not quite the same thing, but fair enough, I knew my posting would stir it up. PS: And your example is "Home Grown", not "Imported"?Oh yes. Most definitely home grown. A very British affair. Right from the start to the end of the supply chain. From creation of the animal feed from bits of other animals, to feeding it our beef stock, right the way through to John Gummer "force feeding" his young daughter the end product in the form of a "British beef burger" on national TV whilst proclaiming that "our beef is safe" (or words to that effect). Not withstanding the fact that the first evidence of cross species transmission (to a cat) had already been uncovered.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jan 30, 2020 16:16:50 GMT
Not quite the same thing, but fair enough, I knew my posting would stir it up. PS: And your example is "Home Grown", not "Imported"?Oh yes. Most definitely home grown. A very British affair. Right from the start to the end of the supply chain. From creation of the animal feed from bits of other animals, to feeding it our beef stock, right the way through to John Gummer "force feeding" his young daughter the end product in the form of a "British beef burger" on national TV whilst proclaiming that "our beef is safe" (or words to that effect). Not withstanding the fact that the first evidence of cross species transmission (to a cat) had already been uncovered.
It was found in cattle all over europe, but we seemed to get all the blame. I suspect the same dodgy food supplements were sold all over europe (were they produced in the UK?).
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 30, 2020 16:36:35 GMT
Oh yes. Most definitely home grown. A very British affair. Right from the start to the end of the supply chain. From creation of the animal feed from bits of other animals, to feeding it our beef stock, right the way through to John Gummer "force feeding" his young daughter the end product in the form of a "British beef burger" on national TV whilst proclaiming that "our beef is safe" (or words to that effect). Not withstanding the fact that the first evidence of cross species transmission (to a cat) had already been uncovered.
It was found in cattle all over europe, but we seemed to get all the blame. I suspect the same dodgy food supplements were sold all over europe (were they produced in the UK?). Well my recollection was that the feedstock was produced here, although that particular comment of mine was slightly flippant/off the cuff. (I also recall that at one point the source was thought to be from scrapie (sheep) -> feedstock -> cows, but that theory may have not have stood the test of time).
Its not surprising that cases would have been found elsewhere in Europe. Its a disease cattle can have. And also of course cattle were traded across borders: I think today's much more comprehensive "passporting" of livestock movements post dates and is quite likely at least partly a consequence of BSE.
But in the UK it became the problem (scale) it did because of the practise of feeding meat and bone meal to calves (it is believed).
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Post by agent69 on Jan 30, 2020 17:19:50 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't a number of these diseases cross-over because humans have sex and/or interfere with animals?
IF so, it makes eminent sense to me to be, shall we say, more "circumspect" when dealing with countries where such practices are more likely to occur? Political Correctness and it's Cousins are all well and good, but I don't want to die from them. Especially through no fault of my own. You've been watching too many videos on the internet.
Many of these type of disease occur in countries where people come into close (but not necessarily intimate) contact with animals. They also occur in areas where people are not terribly intelligent. Take the 2014 Ebola outbreak. It was generally accepted to have been caused by the consumption of bush meat, but even at the height of the epedemic bush meat was still on sale in African markets.
With regard to the current rhythm of the night virus, it appears that all the fatalities are in China, and the only people outside China who have contracted the virus did so while in China. Hopefully it will soon come under control.
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Post by travolta on Jan 30, 2020 17:33:34 GMT
Not sex, per se, but feeding pigs with all types of human detritis,so I hear. One of my neighbours is a pig farmer and it is surprising the strict control imposed on pig nutrition these days. I can remember Epping Piggery rattling past my classroom window,as it went around all the local schools, after lunch, collecting swill. Not so,these times. Pork and chicken are meat staples in China and the control is medieval compared to (dare I say it ) the EU. It would be interesting to know why Brits flights are not leaving ,compared to other nationals. What did we do wrong ? Or it is a trade off?
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Post by cb25 on Jan 30, 2020 17:35:23 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't a number of these diseases cross-over because humans have sex and/or interfere with animals?
IF so, it makes eminent sense to me to be, shall we say, more "circumspect" when dealing with countries where such practices are more likely to occur? Political Correctness and it's Cousins are all well and good, but I don't want to die from them. Especially through no fault of my own. You've been watching too many videos on the internet.
Many of these type of disease occur in countries where people come into close (but not necessarily intimate) contact with animals. They also occur in areas where people are not terribly intelligent. Take the 2014 Ebola outbreak. It was generally accepted to have been caused by the consumption of bush meat, but even at the height of the epedemic bush meat was still on sale in African markets.
With regard to the current rhythm of the night virus, it appears that all the fatalities are in China, and the only people outside China who have contracted the virus did so while in China. Hopefully it will soon come under control.
story in the Independent claims otherwise: "Coronavirus: Japan and Germany confirm patients who caught disease did not visit China"
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 30, 2020 17:37:10 GMT
.... because humans have sex and/or interfere with animals?
...You've been watching too many videos on the internet.
or making videos for the internet ?
Bit harsh. Not terribly well educated, and / or poor, for certain. But are they inherently less intelligent simply by virtue of where they live ?
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Post by mrclondon on Jan 30, 2020 18:04:14 GMT
It would be interesting to know why Brits flights are not leaving ,compared to other nationals. What did we do wrong ? Or it is a trade off? Two random guesses a) the FO has been leaning heavily (though in vain) on Chinese to allow dual nationals / those with permanent right to UK residency to leave to avoid splitting up familes on humanitarian grounds b) the rumours in the press are that whilst an Asian aircraft has been chartered it will be manned entirely by UK military, with a flight plan filed to a UK military base (i.e essentialy its a military operation). With other countries it has (ostensibly) been a civilian operation ... the US plane only revised its flight plan to a military base after landing in Alaska to refuel. (Best guess is that was always intended to be its destination).
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Post by travolta on Jan 30, 2020 18:24:08 GMT
It would be interesting to know why Brits flights are not leaving ,compared to other nationals. What did we do wrong ? Or it is a trade off? Two random guesses a) the FO has been leaning heavily (though in vain) on Chinese to allow dual nationals / those with permanent right to UK residency to leave to avoid splitting up familes on humanitarian grounds b) the rumours in the press are that whilst an Asian aircraft has been chartered it will be manned entirely by UK military, with a flight plan filed to a UK military base (i.e essentialy its a military operation). With other countries it has (ostensibly) been a civilian operation ... the US plane only revised its flight plan to a military base after landing in Alaska to refuel. (Best guess is that was always intended to be its destination).
ah .Typical brit flat footed diplomacy and silly stupid planning. I blame the dive in education at the end of the 60's and the introduction of calculators to replace mental agility .
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Post by agent69 on Jan 30, 2020 19:15:19 GMT
Two random guesses a) the FO has been leaning heavily (though in vain) on Chinese to allow dual nationals / those with permanent right to UK residency to leave to avoid splitting up familes on humanitarian grounds b) the rumours in the press are that whilst an Asian aircraft has been chartered it will be manned entirely by UK military, with a flight plan filed to a UK military base (i.e essentialy its a military operation). With other countries it has (ostensibly) been a civilian operation ... the US plane only revised its flight plan to a military base after landing in Alaska to refuel. (Best guess is that was always intended to be its destination).
ah .Typical brit flat footed diplomacy and silly stupid planning. I blame the dive in education at the end of the 60's and the introduction of calculators to replace mental agility . You missed out the slide rule that came betweeen the two
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Post by james100 on Jan 30, 2020 20:23:55 GMT
Well that went well....I see it's officially a global crisis now and face-masks have sold out. The reason British are last expats left standing in Wuhan is because the FO are rubbish by the way. Having been caught up in a military-type crisis on foreign shores myself, I can confidently opine they are the least competent FO in the developed world. It will be interesting to see what happens in the markets tomorrow, anyway.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jan 30, 2020 20:32:40 GMT
It was found in cattle all over europe, but we seemed to get all the blame. I suspect the same dodgy food supplements were sold all over europe (were they produced in the UK?). Well my recollection was that the feedstock was produced here, although that particular comment of mine was slightly flippant/off the cuff. (I also recall that at one point the source was thought to be from scrapie (sheep) -> feedstock -> cows, but that theory may have not have stood the test of time).
Its not surprising that cases would have been found elsewhere in Europe. Its a disease cattle can have. And also of course cattle were traded across borders: I think today's much more comprehensive "passporting" of livestock movements post dates and is quite likely at least partly a consequence of BSE.
But in the UK it became the problem (scale) it did because of the practise of feeding meat and bone meal to calves (it is believed).
I think it became more of a problem here because we first identified it as a particular disease. It was out there in other places, but most cows were just culled as 'not quite good anymore', it was a disease of older animals'. I don't think it was really a new disease just one that was newly identified and exacerbated by the feeding of bad food. I have a particular connection to BSE in that I had to have a huge blood transfusion in the 80's (about 8 pints, a lot, but they did say they couldn't find my blood pressure on the way to theatre) and afterwards I was told I can't give blood any more, because they don't want back anything they may have given me! 
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