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Post by agent69 on Dec 21, 2021 10:30:01 GMT
Given that pro football players have something akin to the only legal slave contract it is amazing to think their owners have not sat on the necks (cue US images) and forced the vaccine in. Rant over. It would be the easiest thing in the world for the Government or the football authorities to put the squeeze on the players to get vaccinated. How about a rule that says you can't sign a player who is unvaccinated.
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Post by keitha on Dec 21, 2021 10:36:24 GMT
The problem with a lot of young players is the money goes to their heads...
Ravel Morrison is one who if he'd trained properly ( Ie turned upon time etc ) could have had a great career but preferred to do the minimum
I can remember a quote once on Micah Richards, he asked what he needed to do to get in the England squad and regular games for Manchester City, the cutting answer was " don't always be last on the training pitch and first off it"
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Post by keitha on Dec 21, 2021 10:38:00 GMT
Given that pro football players have something akin to the only legal slave contract it is amazing to think their owners have not sat on the necks (cue US images) and forced the vaccine in. Rant over. It would be the easiest thing in the world for the Government or the football authorities to put the squeeze on the players to get vaccinated. How about a rule that says you can't sign a player who is unvaccinated. That would surely be restraint of trade, but then I see the transfer window in a similar light, I can't think of another job when you can only change employers in certain periods of the year.
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Post by registerme on Dec 21, 2021 10:40:53 GMT
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Post by keitha on Dec 21, 2021 10:47:42 GMT
Back to Covid
Why are so many business owners apparently so thick
"I will lose £700,000 if my clubs are shut on new years eve"
No, as you won't be paying staff, heating etc, or stock, you may lose £700,000 of takings but takings are a different thing to income
I heard a small EFL chief exec on the radio talking about the new restrictions in Wales and he was saying we will lose 7,000 ticket sales at an average of £35 each, now I see that as different to a nightclub the game will go ahead behind closed doors, so apart from stewards and turnstile operators the costs will be the same. Bars cafes etc around the grounds will also lose income.
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Post by adrianc on Dec 21, 2021 11:13:18 GMT
Back to Covid Why are so many business owners apparently so thick "I will lose £700,000 if my clubs are shut on new years eve" No, as you won't be paying staff, heating etc, or stock, you may lose £700,000 of takings but takings are a different thing to income I heard a small EFL chief exec on the radio talking about the new restrictions in Wales and he was saying we will lose 7,000 ticket sales at an average of £35 each, now I see that as different to a nightclub the game will go ahead behind closed doors, so apart from stewards and turnstile operators the costs will be the same. Bars cafes etc around the grounds will also lose income. There are, of course, fixed costs and variable costs. Many of the staff will still need to be paid, because they're on permanent contracts. Casuals, no - but they'll be the low-paid ones. Some of the stock will already have been bought, and will be limited shelf-life. Of course, that may be £700k of net income lost, after the cost-of-sales for the £2m (or however much) of revenue.
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Post by adrianc on Dec 21, 2021 11:28:02 GMT
Meanwhile, elsewhere...
I've been in a "discussion" with an anti-vaccer who is convinced that the reported 70yo unvaccinated Omigawd death was deliberate, he was murdered to prove the point, that vaccinations are now the cause of the "infections", that Sadiq Khan has "let the truth" slip, that it's all a massive scam because medicare in the US pays more for covid patients (oh, and unnecessary ventilation produces EXACTLY the symptoms claimed of the 'vid)... and that Omigawd doesn't even affect the lungs. Oh, yes... and doctors are the problem, just compare the number of hospital deaths with previous pandemics...
You can't argue with logic like that.
I mean, you LITERALLY can't, because there is none. Simply fingers-in-ears-la-la-la. The lights are on but there's nobody home.
And this is a British person, not even a 'merkin, although he does staunchly believe 9/11 was an inside job. I'll give you one guess as to what else he strongly supports...
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Post by Mike on Dec 21, 2021 11:31:44 GMT
I'll give you one guess as to what else he strongly supports... Jeremy Corbyn? Ironic that he should turn out to be more aligned to the right-wing anti-lockdown anti-mask anti-vaccine -ers than BJ (and possibly any other contender for PM recent or present)!
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Post by Greenwood2 on Dec 21, 2021 11:50:05 GMT
Meanwhile, elsewhere... I've been in a "discussion" with an anti-vaccer who is convinced that the reported 70yo unvaccinated Omigawd death was deliberate, he was murdered to prove the point, that vaccinations are now the cause of the "infections", that Sadiq Khan has "let the truth" slip, that it's all a massive scam because medicare in the US pays more for covid patients (oh, and unnecessary ventilation produces EXACTLY the symptoms claimed of the 'vid)... and that Omigawd doesn't even affect the lungs. Oh, yes... and doctors are the problem, just compare the number of hospital deaths with previous pandemics... You can't argue with logic like that. I mean, you LITERALLY can't, because there is none. Simply fingers-in-ears-la-la-la. The lights are on but there's nobody home. And this is a British person, not even a 'merkin, although he does staunchly believe 9/11 was an inside job. I'll give you one guess as to what else he strongly supports... Once they have accepted that the only source of 'truth' is their weird corner of the internet and everyone else is part of the conspiracy or too stupid to understand 'what is really going on', it becomes totally impossible to have a rational conversation.
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Post by dovap on Dec 21, 2021 11:50:15 GMT
65% of Tennis Players 25% of UK soccer players are not planning to get vaccinated. Apparently the sudden spike in Heart issues is behind it think Christian Eriksen, Sergio Aguero, Charlie Wyke, Victor Lindelöf ( apologies for any misspellings )The latter point I had not linked with reluctance of players to get jabbed. Though 2 3 4 questions immediately come to mind: is it really a 'sudden spike' or just a perception of ? Are they known to have been previously vaccinated ? Is there any evidence of any link ? Doesn't this reluctance predate the likes of Aquero, Eriksen ? Anyway, prior to your post which has slightly punctured my feeling of self righteous indignation at the indulgence and entitlement of these over paid prima donnas (at least the ones that haven't been laid low by dodgy tickers, I'm not that cruel), I had been thinking the following: Why on earth doesn't the EFL - or at the very least the premier league element of it - refuse to pay salary to any player who doesn't get vaccinated (unless they have good medical grounds). Players only get paid their 'salaries' as a result of the obscene money raised by television rights, supporters in stadiums, qualification/success in tournaments, sponsorship revenues etc. All of which are fundamentally at risk if games can't go ahead because COVID has ripped through the squad and/or their supporting back room teams. fwiw the updated figures for the prem from yesterday were Premier League figures showed 77% of players have had two vaccination jabs, a rise from 68% in October. In all, 84% of players have had at least one vaccination. If staff are including in the analysis the figure rises to 92%. (still poor versus other leagues) Re: heart problems and Charlie Wyke - Wigan put out a statement confirming he hadn't been vaccinated
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Dec 21, 2021 11:52:54 GMT
I'll give you one guess as to what else he strongly supports... Jeremy Corbyn? Ironic that he should turn out to be more aligned to the right-wing anti-lockdown anti-mask anti-vaccine -ers than BJ (and possibly any other contender for PM recent or present)! I like guessing games. This one is easy its the bone adrianc simply cant resist keep digging up. Begins with B has an X in it and with a bit of luck will one day end with people letting it go.
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Post by adrianc on Dec 21, 2021 12:00:16 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn? Ironic that he should turn out to be more aligned to the right-wing anti-lockdown anti-mask anti-vaccine -ers than BJ (and possibly any other contender for PM recent or present)! I like guessing games. This one is easy its the bone adrianc simply cant resist keep digging up. Begins with B has an X in it Bingo! Strange how many fruitbat crossovers are utterly predictable. ...when it stops doing untold ongoing damage to the country. Anyway, why "let it go"? I thought it was going to be sunlit uplands? If it was, why would anybody want to "let it go"? We'd all be celebrating, right? I'd love to be in a position to admit I was wrong on the subject.
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Post by keitha on Dec 21, 2021 12:02:31 GMT
Back to Covid Why are so many business owners apparently so thick "I will lose £700,000 if my clubs are shut on new years eve" No, as you won't be paying staff, heating etc, or stock, you may lose £700,000 of takings but takings are a different thing to income I heard a small EFL chief exec on the radio talking about the new restrictions in Wales and he was saying we will lose 7,000 ticket sales at an average of £35 each, now I see that as different to a nightclub the game will go ahead behind closed doors, so apart from stewards and turnstile operators the costs will be the same. Bars cafes etc around the grounds will also lose income. There are, of course, fixed costs and variable costs. Many of the staff will still need to be paid, because they're on permanent contracts. Casuals, no - but they'll be the low-paid ones. Some of the stock will already have been bought, and will be limited shelf-life. Of course, that may be £700k of net income lost, after the cost-of-sales for the £2m (or however much) of revenue. I was assuming in this case it was £700,000 revenue over his 3 clubs that's still £233,000 a club if each held 2000 everyone would have to spend £116, and from my knowledge these days a lot of people only buy 1 or 2 drinks in the club having had a good drink before going
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Post by michaelc on Dec 21, 2021 12:08:02 GMT
That's what I was looking for thanks! The table on the same page also includes estimates for Omicron. Very interesting to compare.
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Post by keitha on Dec 21, 2021 12:38:42 GMT
Meanwhile, elsewhere... I've been in a "discussion" with an anti-vaccer who is convinced that the reported 70yo unvaccinated Omigawd death was deliberate, he was murdered to prove the point, that vaccinations are now the cause of the "infections", that Sadiq Khan has "let the truth" slip, that it's all a massive scam because medicare in the US pays more for covid patients (oh, and unnecessary ventilation produces EXACTLY the symptoms claimed of the 'vid)... and that Omigawd doesn't even affect the lungs. Oh, yes... and doctors are the problem, just compare the number of hospital deaths with previous pandemics... You can't argue with logic like that. I mean, you LITERALLY can't, because there is none. Simply fingers-in-ears-la-la-la. The lights are on but there's nobody home. And this is a British person, not even a 'merkin, although he does staunchly believe 9/11 was an inside job. I'll give you one guess as to what else he strongly supports... you and I know because we are sensible, is that it is likely that in previous pandemics less people were tested and so a link could not be shown. and of course with the Spanish Flu there was no NHS so poor people died at home cared for by the family, and to be honest if we didn't have the modern ventilators people would still be treated at home. Figures at one point did suggest that 1/3 of Covid infections in parts of Wales were acquired in hospitals. One of my American friends refuses to believe that Omicron can go from 3% of cases to 75% in a week. However I will say publicly, that I have made arrangements to see family over Christmas ( England ) and my partner here in Wales over the new year period. Given the fragile state of my mental health I will be going come what may. Unless someone comes down with it between now and then
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