michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Jan 2, 2022 18:02:40 GMT
If we use your figures... Not MY figures. The official statistics. Where have you got them from? You posted a link to the yellow card summary report but I couldn't see in there where it clearly stated how many serious yellow card reports there are (i.e. not just <myo/peri>carditis but the others too) vs the total number of vaccinations. The information wasn't clear (at least to me) so if it was clear please tell me on what page I should be looking at to arrive at your 1 in 50,000?
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Post by adrianc on Jan 2, 2022 18:12:47 GMT
Not MY figures. The official statistics. Where have you got them from? You posted a link to the yellow card summary report but I couldn't see in there where it clearly stated how many serious yellow card reports there are (i.e. not just <myo/peri>carditis but the others too) vs the total number of vaccinations. The information wasn't clear (at least to me) so if it was clear please tell me on what page I should be looking at to arrive at your 1 in 50,000? The 863 myo/pericarditis notifications figure came from tables 9 (by age) and 10 (by sex), within the section headed "Myocarditis and pericarditis (Inflammation of the heart)" under "Comments on specific safety topics" within section 3, "Analysis of data". I know, very well hidden, and I'm not surprised you couldn't easily find it. Divide 52m vaccinated people in the UK by 863, and you get 1 in 60,254.
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Post by ilmoro on Jan 2, 2022 18:18:46 GMT
Can we just agree that the majority of posters (including myself) on this thread clearly meet the popular definition of insanity and move on?  |
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Post by registerme on Jan 2, 2022 18:20:03 GMT
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Post by agent69 on Jan 2, 2022 18:32:24 GMT
Interesting that this is a disease that puts over 75s at risk 10,000 times more than under 14s. That is a staggering difference in risk and yet it is younger people and now children that some expect to help them. Children are currently the primary vector for infection. Latest available infection rates from Devon:
- 0 to 19yo - 671
- 20 to 39yo - 1416
However, I do agree children are major spreaders of the virus, and it is madness to suggest that they should be allowed continue spreading a potentially deadly virus to vulnerable people, without any attempt to mitigate the consequences of their actions. Children should get vaccinated or stay home.
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Post by michaelc on Jan 2, 2022 18:34:31 GMT
Where have you got them from? You posted a link to the yellow card summary report but I couldn't see in there where it clearly stated how many serious yellow card reports there are (i.e. not just <myo/peri>carditis but the others too) vs the total number of vaccinations. The information wasn't clear (at least to me) so if it was clear please tell me on what page I should be looking at to arrive at your 1 in 50,000? The 863 myo/pericarditis notifications figure came from tables 9 (by age) and 10 (by sex), within the section headed "Myocarditis and pericarditis (Inflammation of the heart)" under "Comments on specific safety topics" within section 3, "Analysis of data". I know, very well hidden, and I'm not surprised you couldn't easily find it. Divide 52m vaccinated people in the UK by 863, and you get 1 in 60,254. Yes, in such a report you'd think it would make it clearer instead of fanning the flames of the conspiracy theorists who would wonder why that is. But in any case that is just Pfizer so you'd need to add on another 186 + 385 to cover all the vaccines which gives 1 in 36,262. Then what about all the other cheery sounding conditions such as Guillaine-Barr syndrome which would push the denominator even lower? So 1 in around 30,000 is what it is. It serves no purpose to use language such as "vanishingly small" to describe it. It clearly means when I get my booster I have around that chance of something bad happening to me. Now that is likely smaller than the chances of me catching covid and suffering an even worse fate largely due to my age. If I was 10,000 times less likely to suffer any ill effects from Covid I would very likely think much harder about receiving my jab. Most importantly this information should be clear instead of the repetitive propaganda of "just get your jab" that is turning many people off doing just that.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 2, 2022 18:43:47 GMT
The 863 myo/pericarditis notifications figure came from tables 9 (by age) and 10 (by sex), within the section headed "Myocarditis and pericarditis (Inflammation of the heart)" under "Comments on specific safety topics" within section 3, "Analysis of data". I know, very well hidden, and I'm not surprised you couldn't easily find it. Divide 52m vaccinated people in the UK by 863, and you get 1 in 60,254. Yes, in such a report you'd think it would make it clearer instead of fanning the flames of the conspiracy theorists who would wonder why that is. But in any case that is just Pfizer You're right, my bad. I do apologise. It should indeed be 863+186+385 = 1,434. So your chances of being killed on the roads of the Ukraine this year are only about 3.5x higher, and your chances of being murdered in the Ukraine this year are only about 2.5x higher. Mea culpa!
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Post by iano on Jan 2, 2022 18:47:00 GMT
Shouldn't we be factoring in that these are instances over all doses administered (first, second and third)? In that case wouldn't it be more like one in 85,943 (123,242,278 / 1,434) for the jab or have I misread?
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Post by michaelc on Jan 2, 2022 18:53:40 GMT
Shouldn't we be factoring in that these are instances over all doses administered (first, second and third)? In that case wouldn't it be more like one in 85,943 (123,242,278 / 1,434) for the jab or have I misread? Yes if the risk was soley tied to the vaccine dose or how it was administrated. But I believe a lot of the risk comes from the individual which isn't known before he/she gets vaccinated.
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Post by michaelc on Jan 2, 2022 18:56:08 GMT
Yes, in such a report you'd think it would make it clearer instead of fanning the flames of the conspiracy theorists who would wonder why that is. But in any case that is just Pfizer You're right, my bad. I do apologise. It should indeed be 863+186+385 = 1,434. So your chances of being killed on the roads of the Ukraine this year are only about 3.5x higher, and your chances of being murdered in the Ukraine this year are only about 2.5x higher. Mea culpa! Why do you chose to include Ukraine in many of your answers and now you give examples of murder rates and road death rates? Do you have something against eastern Europeans ?
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Post by iano on Jan 2, 2022 19:00:19 GMT
Shouldn't we be factoring in that these are instances over all doses administered (first, second and third)? In that case wouldn't it be more like one in 85,943 (123,242,278 / 1,434) for the jab or have I misread? Yes if the risk was soley tied to the vaccine dose or how it was administrated. But I believe a lot of the risk comes from the individual which isn't known before he/she gets vaccinated. Fair point.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 2, 2022 21:20:21 GMT
You're right, my bad. I do apologise. It should indeed be 863+186+385 = 1,434. So your chances of being killed on the roads of the Ukraine this year are only about 3.5x higher, and your chances of being murdered in the Ukraine this year are only about 2.5x higher. Mea culpa! Why do you chose to include Ukraine in many of your answers and now you give examples of murder rates and road death rates? Do you have something against eastern Europeans ? To help you frame it with reference to your personal experience, since I believe you live there?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2022 13:42:28 GMT
Both, to greater or lesser extents. Some are also making the ridiculous claim that the vacc is as harmful, or worse, than the virus. Perhaps ridiculous to say it is harmful to all but it certainly is to some such a this guy. It is hard to explain to people that sometimes coincidence means just that. It does not mean causality.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 4, 2022 9:43:31 GMT
A cinema that was ordered to close after breaking Covid rules flouted the ban to premiere a film by the son of conspiracy theorist David 'nutty as a fruit cake' Icke. Directed and produced by Mr Icke's son Jaymie, it makes several baseless accusations against NHS doctors and nurses, including that they are deliberately killing elderly people in hospitals in order to "boost the numbers" of people dying of Covid.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2022 10:01:54 GMT
Fair does to Icke he makes good money at this BS. He also kills people. (that is not an alt-fact)
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