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Post by james100 on Mar 16, 2020 17:36:28 GMT
".... unbridled self-interest of our current government"I recall a certain Mr Bliar took that one to new and unprecendented heights? In fact, he made it both an Art Form and a Science!  Agreed. Can't flipping stand any of them!
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Post by registerme on Mar 16, 2020 18:10:44 GMT
My best friend, a radiologist with 20+ years under his belt, started a year long sabbatical a month ago. This was largely brought about because he got thrown under the "Serious Incident Review" bus by his trust (to cut a long story short he reported on a scan for a patient, the patient went under the knife and died the following day, the surgeon claimed that patient was mis-reported, which was a complete load of bollocks, the trust initially took the side of the surgeon, and the SIR process proved to be not worth the paper it was written on). He was, understandably, unimpressed with this and told his trust "either I get a year long sabbatical or I resign and go private". They agreed pdq. He's just offered to cut his sabbatical short and go back to his hospital. I think I'm glad about that, but he's diabetic, so at higher risk..... EDIT: I should add that he got done over by the pension "reforms" that IFISAcava has referred to a few times as well. |
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Post by agent69 on Mar 16, 2020 18:48:37 GMT
Latest episode from 'you couldn't make it up'
Driving back from the airport last week I chipped / cracked my windscreen. The insurance company passed my details onto the windscreen company, but they won't repair it as I have been in Tenerife in the last 14 days. Looks like I'll have to wait until the end of next week.
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Post by benaj on Mar 16, 2020 19:14:02 GMT
(16th March) League table for G7 countries - Covid -19 death
1. Italy 2158
2. France 127
3. USA 73
4. UK 53
5. Japan 27
6. Germany 15
7. Canada 4
Only Germany& Canada are outside the top 10 countries in the world have confirmed Covid-19 deaths. 😨
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Post by df on Mar 16, 2020 20:34:33 GMT
".... unbridled self-interest of our current government"I recall a certain Mr Bliar took that one to new and unprecendented heights? In fact, he made it both an Art Form and a Science! That's why "The Sun" got him elected 
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Post by daveb on Mar 16, 2020 20:48:56 GMT
apologies if this is on one of the earlier pages, but it's rather interesting, though as they say not an exact guide to corona
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Post by dan1 on Mar 16, 2020 21:05:00 GMT
why is the govt ONLY NOW coming out and saying, umm we need more ventilators: I know, lets try and build them in short order. We have some car companies: I'm sure they could switch production over 
They have had several weeks to be actioning that.
The stats should send shivers down your spine. UK population ~66 million. Infection of 60-80% of population Proportion requiring medical intervention (hospitalisation) 5% Of those requiring hospitalisation, a quarter will require support from a ventilator for days if not weeks Let's be (very) generous and say the curve can be flattened to a peak of 10% and that 1% of those will require a ventilator. That equates to a peak demand of 40,000 to 53,000 ventilators. The UK has ~5,000 ventilators. ~~~ Of course, ventilators are useless without the incredibly highly skilled staff necessary to save lives.
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Post by dan1 on Mar 16, 2020 21:09:57 GMT
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Post by cb25 on Mar 16, 2020 21:18:40 GMT
why is the govt ONLY NOW coming out and saying, umm we need more ventilators: I know, lets try and build them in short order. We have some car companies: I'm sure they could switch production over
They have had several weeks to be actioning that.
The stats should send shivers down your spine. UK population ~66 million. Infection of 60-80% of population Proportion requiring medical intervention (hospitalisation) 5% Of those requiring hospitalisation, a quarter will require support from a ventilator for days if not weeks Let's be (very) generous and say the curve can be flattened to a peak of 10% and that 1% of those will require a ventilator. That equates to a peak demand of 40,000 to 53,000 ventilators. The UK has ~5,000 ventilators. ~~~ Of course, ventilators are useless without the incredibly highly skilled staff necessary to save lives. But China, that's ahead of us on the schedule, has current penetration of 0.006% on current figures, so I'm not going to be pooping myself with worry anytime soon. Maybe when China gets to 10,000,000 cases I might.
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Post by Please turn me over on Mar 16, 2020 21:29:45 GMT
apologies if this is on one of the earlier pages, but it's rather interesting, though as they say not an exact guide to corona
Thanks, daveb. Those are some convincing animations of how quarantines and social distancing can help flatten the curve. (Note to others; there's no paywall; the WP is making it free to view.)
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Post by mrclondon on Mar 16, 2020 22:00:18 GMT
Good grief !
Just back from a large Tesco ... I'm shell shocked ... huge portions of the shop had zero stock. I got almost everything on my list which was mainly fresh fruit & veg but there was virtually no raw meat, fortunately the only thing I really wanted was liver .... quite a few packs to choose from (packs claim can't be frozen I guess the reason). Then I got told off at the checkout for having more than 5 packs of UHT Orange juce.
For others intending late evening shopping to avoid too many other people - shops are closing earlier than normal (10pm not 1am in this case).
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Post by bernythedolt on Mar 16, 2020 22:00:35 GMT
Under-resourced = insufficient resource to fulfil demand. As we seem to experience most years now (but never used to). I think we can safely assume that increased handwashing amounts to roughly 0% of national water usage. The water companies wouldn't agree. Each person uses ~2 litres per hand wash: e.g. www.south-staffs-water.co.uk/media/1539/waterusehome.pdfLet's be conservative and assume just 4 additional washes per person per day, in view of the current advice. That's an additional ~8 litres per day per person. The average person consumes around 150 litres per day at home (same reference as above). So the additional washes amount to at least 5% more home water consumption. In previous years, some water companies have struggled to meet summertime demand even without this >5% overhead.
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Post by agent69 on Mar 16, 2020 22:12:16 GMT
why is the govt ONLY NOW coming out and saying, umm we need more ventilators: I know, lets try and build them in short order. We have some car companies: I'm sure they could switch production over
They have had several weeks to be actioning that.
The stats should send shivers down your spine. UK population ~66 million. Infection of 60-80% of population Proportion requiring medical intervention (hospitalisation) 5% Of those requiring hospitalisation, a quarter will require support from a ventilator for days if not weeks Let's be (very) generous and say the curve can be flattened to a peak of 10% and that 1% of those will require a ventilator. That equates to a peak demand of 40,000 to 53,000 ventilators.The UK has ~5,000 ventilators. ~~~ Of course, ventilators are useless without the incredibly highly skilled staff necessary to save lives. I guess the NHS can't win here. I can just imagine the newspaper headlines in normal times "shock horror, cash strapped NHS has 45,000 brand new ventilators unused in boxes"
Realistically, there is no way you can gear up to cover every eventualityif things are realy bad.
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 16, 2020 22:17:09 GMT
why is the govt ONLY NOW coming out and saying, umm we need more ventilators: I know, lets try and build them in short order. We have some car companies: I'm sure they could switch production over
They have had several weeks to be actioning that.
UK population ~66 million. Infection of 60-80% of population Proportion requiring medical intervention (hospitalisation) 5% Of those requiring hospitalisation, a quarter will require support from a ventilator for days if not weeks …. Don't worry, they do: I fall into the cohort now known as "those with a pre-existing respitory condition". Along with many others. Oh, and I think your numbers are wrojng. I think the 5% number I nearer 15%.
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 16, 2020 22:22:40 GMT
The stats should send shivers down your spine. UK population ~66 million. Infection of 60-80% of population Proportion requiring medical intervention (hospitalisation) 5% Of those requiring hospitalisation, a quarter will require support from a ventilator for days if not weeks Let's be (very) generous and say the curve can be flattened to a peak of 10% and that 1% of those will require a ventilator. That equates to a peak demand of 40,000 to 53,000 ventilators.The UK has ~5,000 ventilators. ~~~ Of course, ventilators are useless without the incredibly highly skilled staff necessary to save lives. I guess the NHS can't win here. I can just imagine the newspaper headlines in normal times "shock horror, cash strapped NHS has 45,000 brand new ventilators unused in boxes"
Realistically, there is no way you can gear up to cover every eventualityif things are realy bad.
No you can't. But if the message is "we can crank the handle and re-purpose some parts of manufacturing to produce ventilators" (but god knows when), then it is a very valid question as to why you are doing that now and not say 3 weeks ago.
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