m2btj
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Post by m2btj on Mar 17, 2020 11:45:57 GMT
Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wants to use mobile phone technology to track those with coronavirus. Once target locked on a drone can be brought in....zap!
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Post by moonraker on Mar 17, 2020 11:53:34 GMT
Overall the shutting down of the hospitality industry may help with more food available for the supermarkets. Also, effectively shutting down the pubs will reuce the number of hangovers, so less paracetamol being consumed unnecessarily.
And also the number of incidents that have to be treated by overstretched health services because of drunken behaviour.
Obviously last week's Budget is going to have to be re-visited.
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Post by agent69 on Mar 17, 2020 12:12:03 GMT
Overall the shutting down of the hospitality industry may help with more food available for the supermarkets. Also, effectively shutting down the pubs will reuce the number of hangovers, so less paracetamol being consumed unnecessarily.
And also the number of incidents that have to be treated by overstretched health services because of drunken behaviour.
Obviously last week's Budget is going to have to be re-visited.
The problem with pubs and the like is that they want the government to shut them down so they can pass the financial pain onto their insurers.
On another note along the lines that there will always be somebody complaining: While many people are losing their jobs or being asked to take unpaid leave, the GMB union is complaining that their members at Amazon are being compelled to work overtime (it's in their contracts) to meet current demand.
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Post by easynow on Mar 17, 2020 12:27:58 GMT
BBC: Dire prediction sees shift in UK strategy James Gallagher Health and science correspondent, BBC News The UK's plan has shifted because the scientific modelling showed we were on course for a "catastrophic epidemic". A strategy of just slowing the spread of the virus, but not trying to stop it, would have overwhelmed intensive care units. The modelling by Imperial College London has been heavily informed by the experience in Italy and is influencing decisions at the heart of government. Their calculations predicted 260,000 deaths in the UK. Instead the plan is to drive down the number of cases to very low levels, which the models predict will limit deaths from coronavirus to the thousands or tens of thousands. However, this approach comes with a major problem - there is no exit strategy.Without the immunity that would build up if people were infected, then cases would soar as soon as measures are lifted. The report said these could need to be in place until a vaccine is available, which could take up to 18 months.
We are in this for the long haul.Sounds just like a typical 6 month P2P loan when it comes to the end of its term.
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ozboy
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Post by ozboy on Mar 17, 2020 12:48:20 GMT
And also the number of incidents that have to be treated by overstretched health services because of drunken behaviour.
Obviously last week's Budget is going to have to be re-visited.
The problem with pubs and the like is that they want the government to shut them down so they can pass the financial pain onto their insurers.
On another note along the lines that there will always be somebody complaining: While many people are losing their jobs or being asked to take unpaid leave, the GMB union is complaining that their members at Amazon are being compelled to work overtime (it's in their contracts) to meet current demand.
I am not in the insurance industry but have read reports of Insurance Companies designating the virus as "An act of God" and therefore not paying out? Maybe someone learned in the subject can comment.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Mar 17, 2020 12:48:58 GMT
And also the number of incidents that have to be treated by overstretched health services because of drunken behaviour.
Obviously last week's Budget is going to have to be re-visited.
The problem with pubs and the like is that they want the government to shut them down so they can pass the financial pain onto their insurers.
On another note along the lines that there will always be somebody complaining: While many people are losing their jobs or being asked to take unpaid leave, the GMB union is complaining that their members at Amazon are being compelled to work overtime (it's in their contracts) to meet current demand.
Most pubs insurance wont cover a mandatory shutdown anyway, only if the pub is shut due to a case on the premises. Simple answer, employ those who are unable to work in the hospitality industry etc to deal with the increased demand for home delivery etc. (Yes I know its not that simple but definitely some opportunities the govt van coordinate)
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Post by registerme on Mar 17, 2020 12:51:12 GMT
Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wants to use mobile phone technology to track those with coronavirus. Once target locked on a drone can be brought in....zap! After my experience this morning I think I'd be reasonably supportive of such efforts:- Queue 1 - in the bank, a fella in front of me in the queue spent five minutes with his finger up his nose, then used the same hand to pass over cash to the cashier. Queue 2 - woman immediately behind me in the queue in Tescos on the phone to somebody for ten minutes talking about how her flatmate had displayed all COVID-19 symptoms and been told by her doctor to self-isolate. It was difficult because they shared a kitchen and bathroom etc. Yet she thought it was a good idea to spend time in a packed supermarket. I just....
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Post by cb25 on Mar 17, 2020 12:51:20 GMT
Went into a fairly large Tesco store this morning, intending to get a paper and some eggs. No eggs. What was noticeable was how full the store was, no doubt reacting to Boris's "lock up your old folk for 3 months". Be ironic if we see a big spike in cases in 5 days time due to so many people busy in such close proximity in the queues for the tills.
Happened to read the (print edition, so no link) letters pages of today's Times. Number of 70+ folk with no underlying medical conditions taking issue with Boris's idea to 'lock them up' for 3 months.
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Post by moonraker on Mar 17, 2020 12:54:47 GMT
On another note along the lines that there will always be somebody complaining: While many people are losing their jobs or being asked to take unpaid leave, the GMB union is complaining that their members at Amazon are being compelled to work overtime (it's in their contracts) to meet current demand.
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Post by moonraker on Mar 17, 2020 13:17:23 GMT
Conscientiously I've just brought up the Waitrose website with a view to ordering a home delivery for next week (which I thought might be optimistic): "Sorry, waitrose.com is unavailable. We are working hard to get it back up and running, so please do try us again a little later."
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Post by james100 on Mar 17, 2020 13:18:14 GMT
At least 1 school (not state controlled) in my area implementing phased year closures as of tomorrow to accommodate reduction in staff from distancing/isolation protocols...
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Post by agent69 on Mar 17, 2020 13:46:31 GMT
Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wants to use mobile phone technology to track those with coronavirus. Once target locked on a drone can be brought in....zap! After my experience this morning I think I'd be reasonably supportive of such efforts:- Queue 1 - in the bank, a fella in front of me in the queue spent five minutes with his finger up his nose, then used the same hand to pass over cash to the cashier. Queue 2 - woman immediately behind me in the queue in Tescos on the phone to somebody for ten minutes talking about how her flatmate had displayed all COVID-19 symptoms and been told by her doctor to self-isolate. It was difficult because they shared a kitchen and bathroom etc. Yet she thought it was a good idea to spend time in a packed supermarket. I just.... I was in a shop yesterday to buy a box of Miracle grow weed and feed for the lawn. The woman in front of me was complaining bitterly to the cashier that it was all being exagerated and things weren't realy that bad.
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Post by stan88 on Mar 17, 2020 14:03:10 GMT
Has the UK government get ready to shower a few with money I was wondering if they may turn back to P2P to lend again has they did with Funding Circle. Maybe a bit toxic but I bet someone in government may be giving it some thought.
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Post by cb25 on Mar 17, 2020 14:03:33 GMT
And also the number of incidents that have to be treated by overstretched health services because of drunken behaviour.
Obviously last week's Budget is going to have to be re-visited.
The problem with pubs and the like is that they want the government to shut them down so they can pass the financial pain onto their insurers.
On another note along the lines that there will always be somebody complaining: While many people are losing their jobs or being asked to take unpaid leave, the GMB union is complaining that their members at Amazon are being compelled to work overtime (it's in their contracts) to meet current demand.
The same union that wants the government to requisition beds in private hospitals ( link) rather than simply pay the latter for using the beds.
As a contributor to Sky News newspapers review show said (Sunday night I think), you need to be wary of things the government does under 'emergency' legislation as it might never get rolled back later. There are lots of interested parties, not only from the left, that think they can push for things now because it's an emergency, then hope to keep them inplace forever.
Edit: article in the Telegraph quotes Prof Azra Ghani, Chair in Infectious Disease Epidemiology at Imperial College London: " We haven't found any way, at least in our understanding of this so far, that we can ever release these [restrictions] unless some other intervention occurs", she said. Are we then in a permanent state of outbreak?, she was asked. "That's our current understanding," she said.
Edit2: article in the Sydney Morning Herald stating that the Netherlands intends to try for 'herd immunity' - "In remarks that make him the first world leader to publicly back the herd immunity theory, Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said a mass lockdown was not feasible and the country had instead opted for a plan that included "controlled distribution" of COVID-19 "among groups that are least at risk". ... In his speech on Monday, Rutte said his government had ruled out two options: letting the virus spread unchecked, and locking down the country "for a year or even longer"."
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Interesting debate. The BBC lunchtime news suggested that, even after a 12 week 'lock down' in the UK, the virus was likely to have a huge rebound later in the year. Guess the choice comes down to "try to work as normal, large number die" or "lock down for months/a year, destroy the economy, large number still die (though hopefully fewer than the other choice)"
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Post by michaelc on Mar 17, 2020 15:03:06 GMT
Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wants to use mobile phone technology to track those with coronavirus. Once target locked on a drone can be brought in....zap! After my experience this morning I think I'd be reasonably supportive of such efforts:- Queue 1 - in the bank, a fella in front of me in the queue spent five minutes with his finger up his nose, then used the same hand to pass over cash to the cashier. Queue 2 - woman immediately behind me in the queue in Tescos on the phone to somebody for ten minutes talking about how her flatmate had displayed all COVID-19 symptoms and been told by her doctor to self-isolate. It was difficult because they shared a kitchen and bathroom etc. Yet she thought it was a good idea to spend time in a packed supermarket. I just.... Yes, really bad behaviour and also worrying when you're out and about. We are close to self isolating now largely because we can. However, I am starting to very slowly shift my position towards a herd-immunity response. Unless it turns out to be V shaped over a short period, the damage done by stopping everyone and everything may be greater than the thing itself. No evidence supplied - even with evidence you couldn't get enough of the subjective sort and be sure what kind of response is the most appropriate. How do you compare X hundred thousand deaths VS utter breakdown of society including riots, looting, burglaries etc? As an aside I worked in IT security for a long time and I recall many colleagues were keen to advise senior managers of the huge risks if even more money wasn't spent on doing xyz to increase security. That often meant a slow down in productivity and general annoyance among the workforce. There was a balance to be struck but because it was so easy to scare such managers about what _could_ happen, they tended to err on the cautious. The security team felt good though - they were needed more than ever. I do sense there might be a little bit of that going on now.
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