iRobot
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Post by iRobot on Apr 19, 2020 11:35:04 GMT
Back to the old boy walking round his garden, aren't the real winners in this not the NHS but the directors of Justgiving, once they've creamed off their massive percentage? Unless they've finally been shamed into capping it now. They must sit there praying for days like these. As I understand it the Capt'n Tom JustGiving page is on behalf of a registered UK charity and JustGiving dropped all its' mandatory fees to such charities on March 26th; although it should be noted that you do effectively have to 'opt out' of its voluntary fee system in those circumstances.
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Post by ruralres66 on Apr 19, 2020 11:54:00 GMT
NHS Charities Together www.nhscharitiestogether.co.uk/what-we-do/NHS Charities Together is the new trading name of The Association of NHS Charities, a membership organisation representing, supporting and championing NHS Charities. NHS Charities Together provides a forum for nationwide fundraising and advocacy campaigns; specialist advice and guidance; bespoke conferences and training opportunities, as well as access to online resources and support through exclusive member pages on our website.
Contact details for beneficiary charity of £25 million and growing.
I have emailed.... info@anhsc.org.uk Captain Tom Moore's 100th Birthday Walk for the NHS
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Post by benaj on Apr 19, 2020 11:55:31 GMT
I holiday in France every year. You hardly see an overweight person, and when you do, they are invariably a fellow British holidaymaker. I don't understand how we got so fat, but we certainly stand out in Europe now, no question. Some interesting stuffs from a NHS health survey. - A minority of people who are obese or overweight want to GAIN WEIGHT. - 65%+ of women who are overweight or obese TRY to lose weight. - However, half of people who said they were trying to lose weight were NOT currently using any weight management aids
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Post by one21 on Apr 19, 2020 12:12:00 GMT
It seems someone has left a tin opener out and the worms are escaping. 10 years of austerity, pfi and private tendering have given us an NHS which will not be fixed by clapping. Brexit inspired trade deals opening up the NHS to US healthcare exploiters show up the real farce of the 'Protect our NHS' slogan. Free to use - YES, and that needs to include dentistry How to pay - Stop privatization, buy out all existing pfi deals (using freshly printed corona cash), scrap the 'market' which leaves NHS facilities empty while Virgin Healthcare sets up trailers in the car park (MRI scanning), fix social care etc. I wonder how many posters here have had the unfortunate need to visit A&E before the recent virus issues. It exposes the real state of an NHS stripped to the bone and under extreme pressure. Facilities have been cut, closed and merged in the name of efficiency putting ever increasing pressure on the remaining service. No, lets not clap for the NHS, lets put our hands tightly round the throats of those responsible for it's current deplorable state. Excellent post davee39 imho! Personally though, when we clap every Thursday it’s mainly for the front line staff who are risking their lives for us. As I think even if they did have 'adequate PPE' there is still a certain risk of being infected.
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Post by one21 on Apr 19, 2020 12:23:20 GMT
The Mail reports (a story from the The Telegraph, behind paywall) "Being overweight puts people at greater risk of being hospitalised with coronavirus, study of British Covid-19 patients finds" Also, I would think they are quite difficult for medical staff to manhandle when having to be turned etc.
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Post by james100 on Apr 19, 2020 12:29:34 GMT
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Post by one21 on Apr 19, 2020 12:33:50 GMT
Well stated bobo! Apparently our grandchildren are not even allowed to use the word 'fat' anymore at school, it's not pc. Also Dees graph is surprising many would have thought US stats higher than ours. Also I hear transfats are banned over there unlike here. Bear in mind that healthy includes a BMI of up to 24 and the chart includes everyone 25 and over. Would probably have been more meaninful if it was BMI 30 and over (obese) Good point but I would think in the elderly age group its probably more dangerous.
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Post by one21 on Apr 19, 2020 12:47:24 GMT
Oh no slightly over weight! The problem with BMI scale is that no account of muscle mass is taken into account afaik. (skipping lunch today!) Edit I seem to have lost 1 1/2" in height since my younger days also! so not sure how this has an effect on BMI scale
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Post by james100 on Apr 19, 2020 12:51:26 GMT
Oh no slightly over weight! The problem with BMI scale is that no account of muscle mass is taken into account afaik. True, however I would suggest that the vast majority of the UK would not be eligible for the supermuscled-sportsperson exemption
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Post by agent69 on Apr 19, 2020 13:20:08 GMT
In a recent survey* of responses to a person finding out they had a BMI a bit over 25 - the most popular response was: but I’ve got a lot more muscle than most- the second most popular response was: but heavy bones run in my family. *DISCLOSURE: I just made that “fake” survey up Mike Tyson BMI 32 = clinically obese.
Are you going to tell him or shall I?
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Post by bernythedolt on Apr 19, 2020 13:40:31 GMT
Back to the old boy walking round his garden, aren't the real winners in this not the NHS but the directors of Justgiving, once they've creamed off their massive percentage? Unless they've finally been shamed into capping it now. They must sit there praying for days like these. As I understand it the Capt'n Tom JustGiving page is on behalf of a registered UK charity and JustGiving dropped all its' mandatory fees to such charities on March 26th; although it should be noted that you do effectively have to 'opt out' of its voluntary fee system in those circumstances. Thanks iRobot. And evidently that voluntary system nets them even more, surprisingly! I don't like that they cream off 5% of the Gift Aid either. That they could afford to donate £100k to Captain Tom's appeal tells me enough. They are still under scrutiny.
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Post by michaelc on Apr 19, 2020 13:51:18 GMT
The previous graph was for 65+ and doesn’t obviously show what one might expect about the USA and Mexico. I’ll resist speculating on why that might be. The graph below that is across time and all adults is consistent with anecdotal observations. BMI 25+ might not be a perfect indicator, but for a first simple, universal, cheap to measure indicator it’s about as excellent as you’ll find. Sure a more accurate measure of body fat percentage would be better and better still a distribution of where that fat resides (e.g around organs, stomach etc) would be more perfect still. But such data would be difficult to get on one individual let alone a representative sample of all the populations across 20 countries. [PAGE 25 of Promoting Healthy Ageing Background report for the 2019 Japanese G20 Presidency Prepared for the G20 Health Minister’s Meeting 19-20 October 2019 Okayama, Japan OECD] Please do speculate. Why are the two graphs so wildly different particularly regarding US vs UK ? Edit: Ahh your graph is showing the average bmi across a random sample of the nation whereas the other one restricted that sample to over 65 ?
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Post by IFISAcava on Apr 19, 2020 14:37:33 GMT
my BMI is always around 21-22 (closer to 22 since lockdown!) - i.e. right in the middle of normal weight range of 18.5-25 - and has been the same all my life - yet people tell me I look too thin, ask me if I have lost weight (in a worried way), etc. The normal body image has unfortunately been shifted so that normal appears thin or unhealthy.
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Post by bernythedolt on Apr 19, 2020 15:12:16 GMT
I holiday in France every year. You hardly see an overweight person, and when you do, they are invariably a fellow British holidaymaker. I don't understand how we got so fat, but we certainly stand out in Europe now, no question. Some interesting stuffs from a NHS health survey. - A minority of people who are obese or overweight want to GAIN WEIGHT. - 65%+ of women who are overweight or obese TRY to lose weight. - However, half of people who said they were trying to lose weight were NOT currently using any weight management aids Perversely, I suspect that might qualify them for certain treatments like gastric band or liposuction? I suppose if you were desperate for that, and hovering just under the threshold, you might be tempted to bloat up a bit...
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Post by agent69 on Apr 19, 2020 15:41:17 GMT
I holiday in France every year. You hardly see an overweight person, and when you do, they are invariably a fellow British holidaymaker. I don't understand how we got so fat, but we certainly stand out in Europe now, no question. Some interesting stuffs from a NHS health survey. - A minority of people who are obese or overweight want to GAIN WEIGHT. - 65%+ of women who are overweight or obese TRY to lose weight. - However, half of people who said they were trying to lose weight were NOT currently using any weight management aids
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