Mike
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Post by Mike on Oct 19, 2020 6:50:10 GMT
Well after the promise that our information was safe and secure and would never be shared, the Powers that be have decided that they will share it with the Police on a case by case basis ( if asked ! ) I did not agree to this and I'm sure the data commissioner will have a view ! So given the promise to me and others has been broken, I feel that deleting the app is the right thing to do, as I don't trust them not to share this information with others I think that news story relates to track & trace - not app users. The government don't (can't) know who you are through the app, plus app notifications to self isolate don't count as official (ie you can ignore them without risk of a fine). Using the app is therefore less risky than handing over genuine details for t&t (where it is either/or), since only through the latter can you end up being told officially to isolate. Not to mention of course that the app doensn't work anyway. It's interesting there are now two t&t methods in place which can't communicate with eachother (there's no way to go from positive-test app user in a pub to the manual handwritten t&t list in the same pub AFAIK.. the venues are as anonymous as the users) - without asking him
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Post by agent69 on Oct 19, 2020 14:56:55 GMT
Well after the promise that our information was safe and secure and would never be shared, the Powers that be have decided that they will share it with the Police on a case by case basis ( if asked ! ) I did not agree to this and I'm sure the data commissioner will have a view ! So given the promise to me and others has been broken, I feel that deleting the app is the right thing to do, as I don't trust them not to share this information with others I think that news story relates to track & trace - not app users. The government don't (can't) know who you are through the app, plus app notifications to self isolate don't count as official (ie you can ignore them without risk of a fine). Using the app is therefore less risky than handing over genuine details for t&t (where it is either/or), since only through the latter can you end up being told officially to isolate. Not to mention of course that the app doensn't work anyway. It's interesting there are now two t&t methods in place which can't communicate with eachother (there's no way to go from positive-test app user in a pub to the manual handwritten t&t list in the same pub AFAIK.. the venues are as anonymous as the users) - without asking him Details here
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keitha
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Post by keitha on Oct 24, 2020 10:45:13 GMT
Well after the promise that our information was safe and secure and would never be shared, the Powers that be have decided that they will share it with the Police on a case by case basis ( if asked ! ) I did not agree to this and I'm sure the data commissioner will have a view ! So given the promise to me and others has been broken, I feel that deleting the app is the right thing to do, as I don't trust them not to share this information with others I think that news story relates to track & trace - not app users. The government don't (can't) know who you are through the app, plus app notifications to self isolate don't count as official (ie you can ignore them without risk of a fine). Using the app is therefore less risky than handing over genuine details for t&t (where it is either/or), since only through the latter can you end up being told officially to isolate. Not to mention of course that the app doensn't work anyway. It's interesting there are now two t&t methods in place which can't communicate with eachother (there's no way to go from positive-test app user in a pub to the manual handwritten t&t list in the same pub AFAIK.. the venues are as anonymous as the users) - without asking him Interesting I have a friend who a couple of weeks ago got a new phone number, but kept the old number as well, the only places she's used the number is in Restaurants etc for track and trace, that phone is already being hit by advertising messages from some of the establishments concerned. She is compiling a list which she is going to contact the data commissioner with in due course. It stinks that you give information for one purpose and they use it for another. Also as far as I Understand leaving a book on the bar for people to write names addresses and phone numbers in is surely a breach of data protection
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Post by bernythedolt on Oct 24, 2020 11:12:58 GMT
I think that news story relates to track & trace - not app users. The government don't (can't) know who you are through the app, plus app notifications to self isolate don't count as official (ie you can ignore them without risk of a fine). Using the app is therefore less risky than handing over genuine details for t&t (where it is either/or), since only through the latter can you end up being told officially to isolate. Not to mention of course that the app doensn't work anyway. It's interesting there are now two t&t methods in place which can't communicate with eachother (there's no way to go from positive-test app user in a pub to the manual handwritten t&t list in the same pub AFAIK.. the venues are as anonymous as the users) - without asking him Interesting I have a friend who a couple of weeks ago got a new phone number, but kept the old number as well, the only places she's used the number is in Restaurants etc for track and trace, that phone is already being hit by advertising messages from some of the establishments concerned. She is compiling a list which she is going to contact the data commissioner with in due course. It stinks that you give information for one purpose and they use it for another. Also as far as I Understand leaving a book on the bar for people to write names addresses and phone numbers in is surely a breach of data protection No pubs have yet asked for my address, just name and phone number. Oddly, the last pub I used was only asking for a name, not even a phone number! Edit: I would add that this was on our recent motorhome tour, so a variety of pubs, and I insist on sitting with my beer in the garden, not brave enough to venture inside.
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Post by star dust on Oct 24, 2020 16:37:00 GMT
Looks like providing details to the hospitality sector is a waste of time and will have little impact on track & trace anyway..... it just gets worse....
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Post by df on Oct 24, 2020 17:17:23 GMT
Interesting I have a friend who a couple of weeks ago got a new phone number, but kept the old number as well, the only places she's used the number is in Restaurants etc for track and trace, that phone is already being hit by advertising messages from some of the establishments concerned. She is compiling a list which she is going to contact the data commissioner with in due course. It stinks that you give information for one purpose and they use it for another. Also as far as I Understand leaving a book on the bar for people to write names addresses and phone numbers in is surely a breach of data protection No pubs have yet asked for my address, just name and phone number. Oddly, the last pub I used was only asking for a name, not even a phone number! Edit: I would add that this was on our recent motorhome tour, so a variety of pubs, and I insist on sitting with my beer in the garden, not brave enough to venture inside. I've downloaded the app, but never used it. Visited a pub 3 weeks ago - nobody asked me for anything. Supermarkets don't ask for it either.
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benaj
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Post by benaj on Oct 24, 2020 18:24:15 GMT
📖 The current app is not polished. It was built by the same firm started in March. I wonder what would Zukhle said why the first app was more successful than the current one. The trial of the second version is more like app with better interface but notification is almost useless. It seems they are still working on it www.medicaldevice-network.com/features/zuhlke-engineering-contact-tracing-app/
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