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Post by registerme on Sept 25, 2020 8:26:59 GMT
I have very little confidence in Dido Harding. Still, I installed it last night on my seven year old Samsung S6. Will take it for a spin to Sainsburys in a couple of hours. Oh the excitement.
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Post by dan1 on Sept 25, 2020 8:31:42 GMT
The whole track & trace system is broken under the management of public health supremo Baroness Dido Harding. The former CEO was eventually forced out of telecoms giant TalkTalk after a huge data breach highlighted poor customer security systems. I believe her husband Tory MP, John Penrose is a friend of Matt Hancock. And it's completely at odds with the extremist neoliberlism driving our policy of herd immunity (and I'm sorry, when you vote to break the law you are a far right regime). Free market capitalists don't reward failure yet when it comes to cronyism we do. It's corrupt. Simples.
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Post by benaj on Sept 25, 2020 9:08:18 GMT
I have very little confidence in Dido Harding. Still, I installed it last night on my seven year old Samsung S6. Will take it for a spin to Sainsburys in a couple of hours. Oh the excitement. www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52709568The app was launched for Isle of Wight in May. It wasn't a failure. IMHO, it was a success. Half of people have downloaded it, the peak of covid cases in there was 7th May 2020, (181 cases in the last 14 days) and went down to 0 cases on 16th July (0 cases in the last 14 days) It's strange there are not enough praises for Isle of Wight. Even now, the cases in Isle of Wight for the last 14 days remain under 13.
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Post by registerme on Sept 25, 2020 9:16:23 GMT
I have very little confidence in Dido Harding. Still, I installed it last night on my seven year old Samsung S6. Will take it for a spin to Sainsburys in a couple of hours. Oh the excitement. www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52709568The app was launched for Isle of Wight in May. It wasn't a failure. IMHO, it was a success. Half of people have downloaded it, the peak of covid cases in there was 7th May 2020, (181 cases in the last 14 days) and went down to 0 cases on 16th July (0 cases in the last 14 days) It's strange there are not enough praises for Isle of Wight. Even now, the cases in Isle of Wight for the last 14 days remain under 13. I thought that was the original home brewed NHS one? The current (ie new) one is based on the Apple / Google app, so a completely different beast in terms of privacy and data collection. None of which is really relevant to me being unimpressed by Dido Harding, her past failures, and the cronyism that sees her in her current role.
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Post by benaj on Sept 25, 2020 9:19:19 GMT
Indeed, it’s odd the app wasn’t launched nationally in July. It would have boost the confidence for this government if they managed it that time.
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Post by mrk on Sept 25, 2020 9:39:47 GMT
It's strange there are not enough praises for Isle of Wight. Even now, the cases in Isle of Wight for the last 14 days remain under 13. Perhaps people in the Isle of Wight actually self-isolate, unlike the majority in the rest of the country.
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Post by Steerpike on Sept 25, 2020 10:38:39 GMT
According to the GOV.UK Coronavirus map my local areas for about 5 miles are in the lowest category (0-2), almost all other areas in a range of about 25 miles are at the same level with a few at level 2 (3-9), there is one area within 40 miles that is at level 3 (10-19), and there is one area within 60 miles that is in any of the three highest levels 4, 5, or 6.
The NHS COVID-19 app reports my local area risk level as medium, based on the government data on the map I would have expected the level to be shown as low, perhaps medium is the lowest level that it shows.
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Post by Mike on Sept 25, 2020 10:47:09 GMT
I have very little confidence in Dido Harding. Still, I installed it last night on my seven year old Samsung S6. Will take it for a spin to Sainsburys in a couple of hours. Oh the excitement. www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52709568The app was launched for Isle of Wight in May. It wasn't a failure. IMHO, it was a success. Half of people have downloaded it, the peak of covid cases in there was 7th May 2020, (181 cases in the last 14 days) and went down to 0 cases on 16th July (0 cases in the last 14 days) It's strange there are not enough praises for Isle of Wight. Even now, the cases in Isle of Wight for the last 14 days remain under 13. The question is, how many positive cases were found as a result of the app? As far as I know, no app in the world has really had much success with bluetooth-based distance measures at their core. That's because it has been proved to not work very well (in many scenarios actually very badly), so even if everyone downloaded it the end result would be (as with most other things) marginal gains at best (at the expense of false positives). Some apps (like the German COVApp) include things like a "symptom sorter" which essentially determines covid test eligibility - interestingly the Germans are managing with fewer tests/day than we are, and (maybe partly because of that) have much lower counts for positive results. The moonshot testing plan is another false positive balance (ignoring the practical feasibility or cost) - if you test 10m/day you can, with current testing, expect >200,000 false positives/day. Asking them all to self-isolate for 14 days would mean millions of people unnecessarily hiding indoors at any one time, much more if their household are also required to.
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Post by dan1 on Sept 25, 2020 10:49:23 GMT
According to the GOV.UK Coronavirus map my local areas for about 5 miles are in the lowest category (0-2), almost all other areas in a range of about 25 miles are at the same level with a few at level 2 (3-9), there is one area within 40 miles that is at level 3 (10-19), and there is one area within 60 miles that is in any of the three highest levels 4, 5, or 6.
The NHS COVID-19 app reports my local area risk level as medium, based on the government data on the map I would have expected the level to be shown as low, perhaps medium is the lowest level that it shows.
The map you linked to shows data for 14th-20th September. The latest data (see coronavirus.data.gov.uk/downloads/csv/coronavirus-cases_latest.csv) may indicate rising rates in your area. I'd also suggest taking a look at the symptom tracker, updated daily... covid.joinzoe.com/dataEdit: Steerpike - you're correct, medium is the lowest level:
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Post by dan1 on Sept 25, 2020 10:58:29 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52709568The app was launched for Isle of Wight in May. It wasn't a failure. IMHO, it was a success. Half of people have downloaded it, the peak of covid cases in there was 7th May 2020, (181 cases in the last 14 days) and went down to 0 cases on 16th July (0 cases in the last 14 days) It's strange there are not enough praises for Isle of Wight. Even now, the cases in Isle of Wight for the last 14 days remain under 13. The question is, how many positive cases were found as a result of the app? As far as I know, no app in the world has really had much success with bluetooth-based distance measures at their core. That's because it has been proved to not work very well (in many scenarios actually very badly), so even if everyone downloaded it the end result would be (as with most other things) marginal gains at best (at the expense of false positives). Some apps (like the German COVApp) include things like a "symptom sorter" which essentially determines covid test eligibility - interestingly the Germans are managing with fewer tests/day than we are, and (maybe partly because of that) have much lower counts for positive results. The moonshot testing plan is another false positive balance (ignoring the practical feasibility or cost) - if you test 10m/day you can, with current testing, expect >200,000 false positives/day. Asking them all to self-isolate for 14 days would mean millions of people unnecessarily hiding indoors at any one time, much more if their household are also required to. Have you been reading Carl Heneghan by any chance? Don't be scammed the false positive rate is not 2% as you imply. The article below was written to counter the pseudo-science behind the claim 90% of tests were false positives but the same applies... Most Positive Coronavirus Tests Are True Positives
Why it’s nonsense to say that 90% of COVID-19 tests are false positives medium.com/@gidmk/most-positive-coronavirus-tests-are-true-positives-60c95fe54fec
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Post by Mike on Sept 25, 2020 11:20:15 GMT
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Post by registerme on Sept 25, 2020 11:27:25 GMT
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Post by dan1 on Sept 25, 2020 11:29:34 GMT
Have you been reading Carl Heneghan by any chance? Don't be scammed the false positive rate is not 2% as you imply. This was from Phil Hammond - although I agree that 2% is not correct, but I don't know what test the NHS uses compared to Australia - is it the same? *Edit - probably this is OT for this thread; my main point was whether or not the bluetooth distance measurements actually work and result in any improvement rather than the "moonshot" ideas resulting in FPs I assume they are all PCR. PHE have reported very low positivity rates (e.g. week 7 they had 1 positive test from 437 people tested). It's also worth pointing out that twice as many tests are performed than people, i.e. each persons result is from two tests (I guess, what other explanation could there be). Regardless, Moonshot can't function with 2% false positive rate. I agree with you on bluetooth - I assumed that was the reason for the long exposure (15 mins mentioned elsewhere but I don't know the details). It's certainly not the answer and in the case of long delays to get test results and swamped infection rates then even less so. Every little helps I guess.
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Post by Mike on Sept 25, 2020 11:36:07 GMT
It's also worth pointing out that twice as many tests are performed than people, i.e. each persons result is from two tests (I guess, what other explanation could there be). I was under the impression that because the nose & throat are both swabbed (with the same swab); that therefore counts as two? Rather than two tests being performed on the same (throat & nose) combined sample. Although I think that was also from Phil Hammond so maybe wouldn't bet even my remaining Lendy loan parts on it
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Post by benaj on Sept 25, 2020 11:59:14 GMT
It would be reassuring if all the MPs have downloaded the app and using it for general public. youtu.be/d4CqXiqy2b8
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