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Post by captainconfident on Jan 31, 2024 11:17:12 GMT
Should be grateful that they got this free gift of 'Brexit without consequences' for is long. Yup, the delay is entirely down to UK government incompetence, and the inability to set up the infrastructure that the people voted for. Not entirely. It was about hiding the consequences of Brexit. Look at the statements of ministers each time they announced a postponement, "Wrong time, bad for the economy at this moment as it is just recovering from covid/all the fruit pickers going home leaving shelves empty/adds to inflation of which there is too much at the moment". 'Not ready' probably figured early on, but in the end it was put off until the last moment. The last moment being the likelihood of a challenge at the WTO from the US and other countries that are similar third-countries to the EU but whose goods have had to have full import checks these last 5 years while the EU got a free pass. Because let's face it, reminding people about Brexit is the last thing this government wants to do in an election year.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 31, 2024 11:30:54 GMT
Yup, the delay is entirely down to UK government incompetence, and the inability to set up the infrastructure that the people voted for. Not entirely. It was about hiding the consequences of Brexit. Look at the statements of ministers each time they announced a postponement, "Wrong time, bad for the economy at this moment as it is just recovering from covid/all the fruit pickers going home leaving shelves empty/adds to inflation of which there is too much at the moment". If there was any mileage in that, then wouldn't that simply be admission that the entire concept was a dismal failure?
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Post by captainconfident on Jan 31, 2024 12:27:23 GMT
Not entirely. It was about hiding the consequences of Brexit. Look at the statements of ministers each time they announced a postponement, "Wrong time, bad for the economy at this moment as it is just recovering from covid/all the fruit pickers going home leaving shelves empty/adds to inflation of which there is too much at the moment". If there was any mileage in that, then wouldn't that simply be admission that the entire concept was a dismal failure? Well, the complainers earlier were suppliers of Wokerati food. Lee Anderson Brexiteers were all about kicking the Southern poofs, never mind the consequences. Economic arguments against were simply the noises of nancy libtards squealing. The damage was worth the cost just to hear that. So they will be quite pleased. The other half of Brexit was that of the fantasy free-traders, whose world view dated from voting no in 1973. Their goal of Britannia Unchained has proved to be a total illusion, and these are the ones grubbing around trying to find Brexit Benefits. Unlike the section of society that just wanted to kick Cameron and his like in the pants for an instant hit of pleasure, this group is perminently disappointed that somehow Brexit was done wrong.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 31, 2024 13:00:31 GMT
Interesting: Post-Brexit checks on goods between Britain and Northern Ireland set to end under new plans
Given that this would appear to be in flat contradiction of the Windsor Framework, the interesting bit is this: ...sources close to negotiations say they "will come as no surprise" to Brussels, which has been kept informed. Words like "flexibility" and "pragmatism" are being used a lot by players on all side, "conversations have produced trust."Which suggests that having reasonable adults at the table has produced a level of trust flexibility that the likes of Frost, Johnson and Davies were never able to get buy in to.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 31, 2024 13:43:07 GMT
Interesting: Post-Brexit checks on goods between Britain and Northern Ireland set to end under new plans
Given that this would appear to be in flat contradiction of the Windsor Framework, the interesting bit is this: ...sources close to negotiations say they "will come as no surprise" to Brussels, which has been kept informed. Words like "flexibility" and "pragmatism" are being used a lot by players on all side, "conversations have produced trust."Which suggests that having reasonable adults at the table has produced a level of trust flexibility that the likes of Frost, Johnson and Davies were never able to get buy in to. It takes two to tango (as they say), and seeing the back of Barnier was probably helpful.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 31, 2024 14:15:16 GMT
Interesting: Post-Brexit checks on goods between Britain and Northern Ireland set to end under new plans
Given that this would appear to be in flat contradiction of the Windsor Framework, the interesting bit is this: ...sources close to negotiations say they "will come as no surprise" to Brussels, which has been kept informed. Words like "flexibility" and "pragmatism" are being used a lot by players on all side, "conversations have produced trust."Which suggests that having reasonable adults at the table has produced a level of trust flexibility that the likes of Frost, Johnson and Davies were never able to get buy in to. It takes two to tango (as they say), and seeing the back of Barnier was probably helpful. Maybe. But I do recall that initially, even pre-referendum, Barnier had drawn up a template for a possible agreement that was much more open/soft than where we got to. But it got chucked in the bin because of a myriad of redlines and deliberate negative showboating from the UK. I might have this wrong, but I do recall it being so.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 31, 2024 14:28:45 GMT
It takes two to tango (as they say), and seeing the back of Barnier was probably helpful. Maybe. But I do recall that initially, even pre-referendum, Barnier had drawn up a template for a possible agreement that was much more open/soft than where we got to. But it got chucked in the bin because of a myriad of redlines and deliberate negative showboating from the UK. I might have this wrong, but I do recall it being so. It's just sour grapes, of course. Barnier is French - one huge strike against him in the eyes of the knuckle-draggers. He was also competent and prepared... so, strangely, in the negotiations he did a good job for the side he was on, given he was negotiating with unprepared incompetents. www.ft.com/content/9e3aacf0-7b9c-11e8-bc55-50daf11b720d
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Post by bernythedolt on Feb 1, 2024 14:36:47 GMT
Maybe. But I do recall that initially, even pre-referendum, Barnier had drawn up a template for a possible agreement that was much more open/soft than where we got to. But it got chucked in the bin because of a myriad of redlines and deliberate negative showboating from the UK. I might have this wrong, but I do recall it being so. It's just sour grapes, of course. Barnier is French - one huge strike against him in the eyes of the knuckle-draggers. He was also competent and prepared... so, strangely, in the negotiations he did a good job for the side he was on, given he was negotiating with unprepared incompetents. www.ft.com/content/9e3aacf0-7b9c-11e8-bc55-50daf11b720dOr, trying to inject a sense of balance, let's ask why Monsieur Barnier was able to make our team look like toothless amateurs. Barnier was astute, impeccably polite, diplomatic, and well prepared as you say. A worthy and quite likeable adversary. However, let's not forget how our side were fighting in these negotiations with one hand constantly tied behind their backs. They were hamstrung by our own parliament, so many of whom were hell-bent on thwarting the outcome the British people had decided upon. Remember the oh-so-clever antics played by Benn, Grieve and many others determined to derail the process wherever they could? Then we had the idiot May trying to convince everybody that leaving with a clause that held us in Europe in perpetuity really was a great idea, until each of the 27 member states agreed that we could leave - like that was ever going to happen to a net contributor! It may have just about been viable had she inserted a sunset clause, a provision for us to leave of our own volition at some future date, but no. All ably assisted at every opportunity by the clearly biased Bercow as Speaker, driving round with his hilarious "B*llox to Brexit” bumper sticker - oh, how the Remain camp must have rolled on the floor with mirth. But wait, I nearly forgot, of course it was his wife’s car, nothing whatsoever to do with his own views…. The man was a disgrace to his position, the primary requirement for which is utter impartiality above all else. And undermining our position all the while was the disloyal, some say treasonous, Tony Blair, with his multiple visits to Brussels, meeting with the enemy at every opportunity to reveal our soft underbelly and give away whatever few cards we may have held. Is it really any surprise that our team couldn’t hold a candle to the likes of the admirable M.Barnier?
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Post by adrianc on Feb 1, 2024 14:53:13 GMT
It's just sour grapes, of course. Barnier is French - one huge strike against him in the eyes of the knuckle-draggers. He was also competent and prepared... so, strangely, in the negotiations he did a good job for the side he was on, given he was negotiating with unprepared incompetents. www.ft.com/content/9e3aacf0-7b9c-11e8-bc55-50daf11b720dOr, trying to inject a sense of balance, let's ask why Monsieur Barnier was able to make our team look like toothless amateurs. Barnier was astute, impeccably polite, diplomatic, and well prepared as you say. A worthy and quite likeable adversary. However, let's not forget how our side were fighting in these negotiations with one hand constantly tied behind their backs. They were hamstrung by our own parliament, so many of whom were hell-bent on thwarting the outcome the British people had decided upon. Sorry? Just a reminder, the PM at that time was Theresa May - who, with a single conference speech barely two months after the referendum, ruled out anything but the hardest of hard brexits because of her unanimous ECJ "red line". Despite the fact that, in the run up to the referendum, even Nigel Farage and Douglas Carswell were talking about not leaving the Single Market and Customs Union. Do you mean the NI "backstop"? (Do you actually understand the difference between the single market and customs union, and membership of the EU?) Just to remind you, that was keeping the UK in the SM and CU temporarily - until such time as an acceptable and workable alternative was found to NI being in them or there being a barrier in the Irish Sea. After all, we were assured by the hard-core that a technological solution was imminent... (spoiler: it never was) How did Johnson get round that? He simply kept NI in the SM and CU indefinitely, with a customs barrier down the Irish Sea... And how's that working out? Oh, yes - the DUP walked out of NI gov't, leaving the province rudderless for two years, until this week - and that despite the further fudges under the Windsor Framework, itself now further fudged despite only having been in operation for four months so far. NI, of course, had to remain in the SM and CU - the GFA is predicated on no land border or trade barriers between RoI and NI. What the hard-core wanted, of course, was RoI to walk away from the EU, too...
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 5, 2024 11:42:45 GMT
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Post by bernythedolt on Feb 5, 2024 13:09:14 GMT
Still, at least we don't have difficulty determining right from wrong. While the US and UK are doing their best to protect western shipping in the Red Sea, where is the EU's contribution? Wouldn't you be embarrassed to still be associated with them, spineless prevaricators, happy to let others do the job for them? "We have to decide which country will take the command ... where the headquarters will be, what navy assets member states will provide," the bloc's top diplomat Josep Borrell told reporters. Yes, they might join in, in defensive mode only, in mid-February, if they can ever get their act together. I bet the US can't wait. www.politico.eu/article/eus-red-sea-mission-could-launch-february-17/www.politico.eu/article/eu-make-muddled-response-crisis-red-sea/
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Post by adrianc on Feb 5, 2024 14:41:20 GMT
You whine about how terrible it is that the EU is planning a military (which it isn't)... then complain that the EU military (which doesn't exist) isn't doing anything. You could complain, perhaps, that Belgium and Germany don't seem to want to do anything off their own bat - but that's a purely internal decision for those countries and their governments. After all, several EU countries are in there already... If we'd still been members, do you think the UK response would have been any different? Did EU membership affect how the UK reacted to, say, Iraq or Afghanistan?
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Post by registerme on Feb 16, 2024 10:03:28 GMT
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Post by michaelc on Feb 16, 2024 18:53:46 GMT
You should write a script to save you the work.
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Post by registerme on Feb 16, 2024 20:21:52 GMT
You should write a script to save you the work. Well done Michael. Pat yourself on the back. You've won the internet.
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