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Post by ozboy on Jun 10, 2023 17:04:23 GMT
Does a room full of Raving BBC Lefties really "expressthe nation's sentiment"?  |
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Post by jo on Jun 10, 2023 17:12:43 GMT
Does a room full of Raving BBC Lefties really "expressthe nation's sentiment"? Lol, ironic that Johnson was such a wet liberal himself.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 11, 2023 16:41:48 GMT
I'm more inclined to think ND went in a strop because she didn't get elevated to the lords in Boris's resignation honours. She came across quite badly last Night "I've been an MP for X years, and was in the department of health throughout covid, so I've done a lot more for the country than some that sit in the lords" "...and did you know I was also a TV star having appeared on I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here. I came 11th you know, so the public must have loved me as they Got Me Out Of There just as the title asks"
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Post by michaelc on Jun 13, 2023 20:17:44 GMT
Our press continues to try to influence rather than report or spark debate. Today, we have this example from The Guardian. Not a single quote from anyone giving the other side of the story. Late pregnancies involve foetuses that often can be born. It would be murder to switch off a baby incubator with a premature baby inside but apparently nothing wrong just prior to birth. I'm not suggesting the issues are not complex because they are. But at least have a debate about it. www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/13/calls-for-abortion-to-be-decriminalised-amid-row-over-jailing-of-uk-woman |
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Post by keitha on Jun 13, 2023 22:02:52 GMT
Our press continues to try to influence rather than report or spark debate. Today, we have this example from The Guardian. Not a single quote from anyone giving the other side of the story. Late pregnancies involve foetuses that often can be born. It would be murder to switch off a baby incubator with a premature baby inside but apparently nothing wrong just prior to birth. I'm not suggesting the issues are not complex because they are. But at least have a debate about it. www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/13/calls-for-abortion-to-be-decriminalised-amid-row-over-jailing-of-uk-womanI agree, the baby was 32-36 weeks, I know of babies born at 25 weeks that have survived
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Post by registerme on Jun 13, 2023 23:11:45 GMT
If this analysis holds up... Trump is in one heap of trouble
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jun 14, 2023 7:56:03 GMT
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Post by james100 on Jun 14, 2023 9:52:00 GMT
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Post by travolta on Jun 14, 2023 11:27:01 GMT
I had a termination at 8 weeks because I'd caught chicken pox off my eldest son ,with very high fever etc which can brain damage an early foetus.
Didn't hesitate to do so. Raising a damaged child is a hard legacy to you and your family when you die.
The lady was probably pretty ignorant of all alternatives and a prison sentence was a daft conclusion as it will not deter ignorance and desperation.
Many Mothers smother a new born if the circumstances are impossible .I couldn't blame them . Its just the Wealthy West that can afford compassion .
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Post by michaelc on Jun 14, 2023 12:19:10 GMT
Is the implication that we have to go to "mumsnet" if we wish to debate topics relating to children ? I'd rather not as I'm clearly not a mum.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 14, 2023 12:44:18 GMT
Is the implication that we have to go to "mumsnet" if we wish to debate topics relating to children ? I'd rather not as I'm clearly not a mum. or simply go to different news sources. The beauty of living in a democracy with a free media is that there are plenty of different sources available, and none have to tow a specific and therefore same POV. But back to the original point. I'm no particular fan of the granuiad, not least because it all too easily and frequently puts what seems like an editorial spin on what it pitches as news stories. Nonetheless, the article you are pointing to is quite clearly a report on the news that certain bodies have called for abortion to be decriminalised. That is what the headline says, and the secondary headline flags it as an article about what a specific leading expert has said. It is not headlined as a report on the case itself, and there is no attempt to dress it up as such or a being a debate about the rights and wrongs of the case or the law. It is an article about several people & bodies coming out against the finding & the law as stands. Nothing more, nothing less. Of course it might be a better article if it went on to say "bodies xyz have in publicly supported the judgement & sentence", but no reason why it needs to, and you know maybe no important body has publicly commented that way on the case to date. P.S. also of coure, you don't "go to" a newspaper or similar outlet "to debate" as quite clearly you can't contribute. Yes you do go to places like Mumsnet if you want to debate, or here, or a myriad of other places. Or watch something like "Question Time" which is a forum for debate, which "newspapers" even in their modern form are clearly not designed to be.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 14, 2023 12:45:45 GMT
It would be murder to switch off a baby incubator with a premature baby inside but apparently nothing wrong just prior to birth. Umm, no, not quite. That is surely highlighted by the woman in question being sentenced to 28 months in prison for doing what you say there is "apparently nothing wrong" with. Was it "murder"? No. Because British law does not regard unborn children as people who can be murdered. There are other, serious offences relating to feticide. There has to be a line drawn somewhere. That line is currently 10 weeks for self-administered pills, as this woman used at 32-34 weeks, having lied to obtain them. The line in a medical setting is 24 weeks. A baby born prematurely at 24 weeks has a <40% chance of survival, even before considering other medical complications arising - which are all but certain. Only 1.2% of abortions are carried out between 20-24 weeks, and only 0.05% after 24 weeks - at which point it's still legal where the fetus has severe mental or physical issues which have not been discovered earlier. The question here is only about the prosecution of people who have an illegally late abortion, which is a vanishingly small number. Whose interests are served by jailing this poor, desperate woman? Not her previous children's, that's for sure. If the sentence had been 24mo or less, it could have been suspended. This is legislation used so infrequently, there are no sentencing guidelines. If you're suggesting a debate along the US repeal of Roe vs Wade lines then that's a VERY different issue. An article reporting the calls for decriminalisation. Not a comment piece. Not a debate. Just straight reportage. Have you read the judge's sentencing remarks? www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/R-v.-Foster-sentencing-remarks-12.6.23.pdf
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 14, 2023 13:04:14 GMT
Its an interesting read. Of particular interest are the comments about why - because of earlier refusal to plead guilty - he has been unable to pass a suspended sentence. The wording suggests that he may well have been inclined to do so had he been legally able to. More tragedy.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jun 14, 2023 13:37:20 GMT
Is the implication that we have to go to "mumsnet" if we wish to debate topics relating to children ? I'd rather not as I'm clearly not a mum. You were saying there is no debate about it, there is if you choose to look. It's a hot topic on mumsnet at the minute for obvious reasons with very varied opinions. Why would you rather not at least read what mainly women are saying about it, they are half the population and most likely to be affected by it. Lots of single people and Dads post on there as well, and there are discussions about anything to do with life, not just women talking about children. Your post comes over as rather condescending to women really.
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