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Post by bernythedolt on Jan 23, 2022 13:01:31 GMT
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Post by jonno on Jan 23, 2022 13:19:46 GMT
A Police spokesman said " We're sure this is a local gang; it's got their stamp all over it. We've deployed a first class squad onto it, we've increased police postings in the area and I'm sure we'll have this crime licked in no time".
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Post by adrianc on Jan 23, 2022 13:28:02 GMT
Numeracy ain't wot it was, either.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 23, 2022 18:26:38 GMT
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 23, 2022 18:31:05 GMT
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Post by bernythedolt on Jan 23, 2022 19:37:13 GMT
Everybody has their own threshold for ridiculous. Seems you've found yours now. Thin end of the wedge - Wiktionary: "(idiomatic) Something that if allowed or accepted to a small degree would lead to systematic encroachment". What you're observing is systematic encroachment. Who knows where the wedge finishes? (I personally postulate a Klein bottle wedge, circling around until it eventually engulfs itself in a final maelstrom of absurdity). When ISIS destroyed cultural and historic icons they didn't approve of, everybody hated them. When similarly crazed iconoclasts do the same in Bristol, the same people cheer. No, I don't understand it either.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 23, 2022 22:38:25 GMT
Everybody has their own threshold for ridiculous. Seems you've found yours now. Thin end of the wedge - Wiktionary: "(idiomatic) Something that if allowed or accepted to a small degree would lead to systematic encroachment". What you're observing is systematic encroachment. Who knows where the wedge finishes? (I personally postulate a Klein bottle wedge, circling around until it eventually engulfs itself in a final maelstrom of absurdity). When ISIS destroyed cultural and historic icons they didn't approve of, everybody hated them. When similarly crazed iconoclasts do the same in Bristol, the same people cheer. No, I don't understand it either. The analogies are not comparable, on any level. Cuisine has "appropriated" from other cultures forever. Cuisines around the world have always assimilated other cuisines. Its analogous to the spread of ideas between civilisations. To condemn particular dishes because of "cultural appropriation" is ridiculous. Its food. We cook, we eat, we share. Hell, I might open a bottle of wine later, and have some olives with it - while I'm at it, I'll drink a glass to the Romans that introduced it to ancient britain. The B/W minstrels may have seemed "right" at the time, to a large cohort of white british people who thought it was amusing (including my parents, and potentially including me who would have been very young at the time). But it is evidently utterly demeaning: then and now. It appealed to a generation such as my mother who thought it was a terrible injustice that she could no longer buy thread in "n*****r brown": why not, that was what it had always been called ? The analogy with statues of the likes of Colston is also a false one. I am relatively ambivalent about Colston and co. (in terms of statues), however the argument that "we can't change history" which is so often trotted out by those who decry such things is so obviously fallacious that it is laughable: the topic iss worthy of a separate thread. But regardless. statues of people in most places - that is certainly in the last 3-400 hundred years - are about celebration of that person's achievements : veneration of the individual. Putting them on a pedestal both figuratively as well literally. Its an age old adage, but none the worse for it: those that are victorious are the ones that write the history. So it's hardly of any surprise that those that have gained significant wealth and consequent power through a practise as abhorrent as slave trading was - even then, not just through a 21st century lens - got himself permanently celebrated in public statue(s). Giving him the veneration he sought/ Achieved through the wealth accumulated through inflicting deaths and misery on thousands. Lets not delude ourselves that their goodness was their primary point, and their involvement in slavery was simply a second order inconsequential inevitable result of the times they lived in. It is up to those of us in the present to choose who we venerate by way of current statues in celebration of them. Choosing to remove any specific current one doesn't "change history". What it does do is change who it is from the past we currently choose to celebrate by way of publicly putting them "on a pedestal". And in making such decisions, we in effect define ourselves and our current values. Still, where was I ? Oh, the idea that misappropriation of culture through cuisine was an utter nonsense, as the entire world history of cuisine has involved the free exchange, adoption, and adaption of other cultures cooking. I'm sure the Spanish will raise a toast of Roman wine to the amalgamation of Moroccan cuisine into their own.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 23, 2022 23:06:25 GMT
I see the Chocolate Fireguard is out there again, deployed in fire fighting mode (does the the irony not occur to them?). Robustly countering the allegations by Nusrat Ghani that her "muslimness" was a reason for her being dropped from a ministerial position. His "defense" of his Lord and Master, he of the equally bonkers bouffant, appears to be: "“I mean she is hardly someone who is obviously a Muslim, I mean I had no idea what religion she is.”
Mr Fabricant then appeared to draw a comparison of the issue of identity as he brought up former Labour MP Keith Vaz, who he said was a "Goan Christian".
He added: "Others are Hindu’s, others are Muslim, but with her it wasn’t apparent...Whatever the merits of her accusations, you must wonder why they would put not just a spade, but neigh a complete JCB backhoe loader in the hands of this particular brown-nosing follicularly enhanced member of parliament.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jan 24, 2022 3:51:05 GMT
Everybody has their own threshold for ridiculous. Seems you've found yours now. Thin end of the wedge - Wiktionary: "(idiomatic) Something that if allowed or accepted to a small degree would lead to systematic encroachment". What you're observing is systematic encroachment. Who knows where the wedge finishes? (I personally postulate a Klein bottle wedge, circling around until it eventually engulfs itself in a final maelstrom of absurdity). When ISIS destroyed cultural and historic icons they didn't approve of, everybody hated them. When similarly crazed iconoclasts do the same in Bristol, the same people cheer. No, I don't understand it either. The analogies are not comparable, on any level. Cuisine has "appropriated" from other cultures forever. Cuisines around the world have always assimilated other cuisines. Its analogous to the spread of ideas between civilisations. To condemn particular dishes because of "cultural appropriation" is ridiculous. Its food. To you maybe, but think of the poor souls offended. And there's no mileage in trying to bring logic to the table, as you are here. We've allowed the permanently offended to dictate how things must be and there's no going back. We meekly accepted the absurd banning of blackboards and dustmen, and all kinds of other nonsense, and now food has come into silly season. You'll just have to roll with it...
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jan 24, 2022 6:51:56 GMT
I see the Chocolate Fireguard is out there again, deployed in fire fighting mode (does the the irony not occur to them?). Robustly countering the allegations by Nusrat Ghani that her "muslimness" was a reason for her being dropped from a ministerial position. His "defense" of his Lord and Master, he of the equally bonkers bouffant, appears to be: "“I mean she is hardly someone who is obviously a Muslim, I mean I had no idea what religion she is.”
Mr Fabricant then appeared to draw a comparison of the issue of identity as he brought up former Labour MP Keith Vaz, who he said was a "Goan Christian".
He added: "Others are Hindu’s, others are Muslim, but with her it wasn’t apparent...Whatever the merits of her accusations, you must wonder why they would put not just a spade, but neigh a complete JCB backhoe loader in the hands of this particular brown-nosing follicularly enhanced member of parliament. What I don't understand is if her being a Muslim was a problem how was it she became a minister in the first place, surely it would have been easier to not give her such a job in the first place.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 24, 2022 8:23:08 GMT
We meekly accepted the absurd banning of blackboards and dustmen, and all kinds of other nonsense Except for the minor detail that they haven't been banned by anybody. It's just a typical Mail-believer kneejerk beloved by a demographic who haven't been near a school for decades... ...because, if they had, they'd know that blackboards, with chalk, simply don't exist in schools any more. They've long been replaced by dry-wipe whiteboards, or by modern smart boards and laptop projection. "Dustmen" is a truly antiquated term anyway, they've been "binmen" since at least the 70s... The term "binman" is still very much in use. Here's a selection of news articles from the last year... inews.co.uk/news/binman-pleads-for-respect-from-public-amid-baseball-bat-and-knife-attacks-1326466metro.co.uk/2021/07/07/binmen-sacked-after-being-filmed-fighting-shoppers-in-the-street-14889763/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/binman-goes-swear-fuelled-rant-22190076www.herefordtimes.com/news/19049812.hundreds-call-council-give-binman-destroyed-snowman-job-back/ - bonus points for "snowman"? And they aren't all men any more. So, along with firemen and postmen and policemen, why not reflect that minor detail by simply changing the job title...? It's not like there's any downside to that... If a man worked providing school lunches to pupils, would you be insisting he was called a "dinnerlady"? Interestingly, in French, the use of a single term for the job is deprecated because it's seen as sexist, due to it being a gendered language. "Facteur" for postie is deemed to exclude women - so there's a feminine-gender term, "factrice". Yet, in English, "actress" is deprecated as implying a lesser role, and both men and women are now referred to as actors. Even the fossils of the Academie Francaise agreed as much a few years ago... www.france24.com/en/20190228-french-language-academie-francaise-feminisation-professionswww.rfi.fr/en/france/20190301-french-language-authority-feminise-job-titles-academie-francaise"Political correctness gorn mad", or simple basic respect, providing the simplest recognition that both halves of the population can do the job just as well as each other? I suspect the people who rail hardest against it might simply not like that last detail...
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 24, 2022 8:46:05 GMT
I see the Chocolate Fireguard is out there again, deployed in fire fighting mode (does the the irony not occur to them?). Robustly countering the allegations by Nusrat Ghani that her "muslimness" was a reason for her being dropped from a ministerial position. His "defense" of his Lord and Master, he of the equally bonkers bouffant, appears to be: "“I mean she is hardly someone who is obviously a Muslim, I mean I had no idea what religion she is.”
Mr Fabricant then appeared to draw a comparison of the issue of identity as he brought up former Labour MP Keith Vaz, who he said was a "Goan Christian".
He added: "Others are Hindu’s, others are Muslim, but with her it wasn’t apparent...Whatever the merits of her accusations, you must wonder why they would put not just a spade, but neigh a complete JCB backhoe loader in the hands of this particular brown-nosing follicularly enhanced member of parliament. What I don't understand is if her being a Muslim was a problem how was it she became a minister in the first place, surely it would have been easier to not give her such a job in the first place. We can only speculate: both as to whether her "muslimness" was indeed an issue, and if it was how she got the job. However, I note that she has specifically used the term "my muslimness" not "my being a muslim". I also note she says she was told she wasn't doing enough to protect the party from claims of Islamaphobia. I can perfectly well postulate a situation where one significant factor in her becoming a minister was her being a muslim: allowing them to say "Boris isn't Islamaphobic, look at her" while pointing a metaphoric finger; and then they subsequently found that while he/they wanted a muslim, they didn't want too much of a muslim, esp. one that didn't then go and fight the "we are not against muslims" cause, which had been part of the point of the exercise in the first place. I can equally well speculate that she wasn't terribly effective as a minister full stop. None of which detracts from the total cackhandedness and inanity of the so called "Pretorian Guard".
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 24, 2022 8:58:22 GMT
The analogies are not comparable, on any level. Cuisine has "appropriated" from other cultures forever. Cuisines around the world have always assimilated other cuisines. Its analogous to the spread of ideas between civilisations. To condemn particular dishes because of "cultural appropriation" is ridiculous. Its food. To you maybe, but think of the poor souls offended. And there's no mileage in trying to bring logic to the table, as you are here. We've allowed the permanently offended to dictate how things must be and there's no going back. We meekly accepted the absurd banning of blackboards and dustmen, and all kinds of other nonsense, and now food has come into silly season. You'll just have to roll with it... I obviously can't comment on what you did during the supposed "war of the blackboards", but I can safely say I never "meekly accepted" any such thing. Not least because to my knowledge it was never for any practical purpose actually happening. Or at least, not outside the confines perhaps of some "position paper" written by an overly elevated, self important and certainly overpaid council employee*. Which was subsequently ignored by virtually all. Or rather ignored by all other than elements of the popular press that can't pass up on any opportunity to whip up popular fury at such utter tosh, regardless of how manufactured it is. While of course counting the pounds from increased copy sales. I do know that the use of chalk - and therefore also the use of blackboards - went out with the ark. And also that I have never heard anyone object to the term "whiteboard" on the grounds it doesn't give equal opportunity to "blackboards", or offends non-white people because of the implied lack of diversity in the domain of vertically oriented physical ideation capture media. *Overpaid if they were writing such things, I should clarify.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2022 9:19:21 GMT
I suppose we are all on a spectrum of wokeness and a spectrum of stupid.
My sister recently asked for a black coffee is a posh garden centre
Server " we don't use 'black' madam"
now I'm guessing someone was far left on the stupid and far right on the woke
Equally getting upset about using "chair" rather "chairman" might be left on the stupid and left on the woke spectrum
humans, you either love 'em or hate 'em
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Post by adrianc on Jan 24, 2022 9:21:40 GMT
My sister recently asked for a black coffee is a posh garden centre
Server " we don't use 'black' madam" No, they call it an "Americano", which allows them to feel less guilty about charging £4 for it.
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