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Post by Greenwood2 on Jan 24, 2022 9:25:12 GMT
To you maybe, but think of the poor souls offended. And there's no mileage in trying to bring logic to the table, as you are here. We've allowed the permanently offended to dictate how things must be and there's no going back. We meekly accepted the absurd banning of blackboards and dustmen, and all kinds of other nonsense, and now food has come into silly season. You'll just have to roll with it... I obviously can't comment on what you did during the supposed "war of the blackboards", but I can safely say I never "meekly accepted" any such thing. Not least because to my knowledge it was never for any practical purpose actually happening. Or at least, not outside the confines perhaps of some "position paper" written by an overly elevated, self important and certainly overpaid council employee. Which was subsequently ignored by virtually all. Or rather ignored by all other than elements of the popular press that can't pass up on any opportunity to whip up popular fury at such utter tosh, regardless of how manufactured it is. While of course counting the pounds from increased copy sales. I do know that the use of chalk - and therefore also the use of blackboards - went out with the ark. And also that I have never heard anyone object to the term "whiteboard" on the grounds it doesn't give equal opportunity to "blackboards", or offends non-white people because of the implied lack of diversity in the domain of vertically oriented physical ideation capture media. At some point we have to accept that sometimes a colour is just a colour not a convoluted racial insult or maybe we should create some new names for the offending colours that don't come with the same connotations. As far as I was aware the dust(men) just came about from the fact that there were a lot of ashes in bins in the days of universal coal fires that created a lot of dust when the men emptied the bins into the lorries, so the name is now obsolete. Are coalmen still coalmen if you get coal delivered?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2022 9:33:18 GMT
"None of which detracts from the total cackhandedness and inanity of the so called "Pretorian Guard"."
one of the great truths about this PM is he has surrounded himself with people who have both deaf ears but also blind eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2022 9:34:48 GMT
. Are coalmen still coalmen if you get coal delivered?
No, but getting coal delivered is obsolete
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Post by agent69 on Jan 24, 2022 9:42:54 GMT
We meekly accepted the absurd banning of blackboards and dustmen, and all kinds of other nonsense Except for the minor detail that they haven't been banned by anybody. It's just a typical Mail-believer kneejerk beloved by a demographic who haven't been near a school for decades... ...because, if they had, they'd know that blackboards, with chalk, simply don't exist in schools any more. They've long been replaced by dry-wipe whiteboards, or by modern smart boards and laptop projection.  Wish my telly was that big
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 24, 2022 9:47:11 GMT
Except for the minor detail that they haven't been banned by anybody. It's just a typical Mail-believer kneejerk beloved by a demographic who haven't been near a school for decades... ...because, if they had, they'd know that blackboards, with chalk, simply don't exist in schools any more. They've long been replaced by dry-wipe whiteboards, or by modern smart boards and laptop projection. Wish my telly was that big Why - do you have that many kids you need to project to ? 
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Post by keitha on Jan 24, 2022 10:15:27 GMT
I suppose we are all on a spectrum of wokeness and a spectrum of stupid.
My sister recently asked for a black coffee is a posh garden centre
Server " we don't use 'black' madam"
now I'm guessing someone was far left on the stupid and far right on the woke
Equally getting upset about using "chair" rather "chairman" might be left on the stupid and left on the woke spectrum
humans, you either love 'em or hate 'em
20 years ago I was fixing a PC for a Social Worker, as was normal I was asked did I want a drink and I asked for "a Black Coffee please", Social Worker disappeared and 10 minutes later a manager appeared and asked me into her office. was was berated for racism and was told I should ask for "coffee without milk, as black is an offensive term". I mentioned this to colleagues as a gentle warning about the atmosphere in that particular office, A couple of weeks later a colleague had to go to the same office and was asked if he wanted a drink his response "can I have Tea please, without milk, without sugar, without honey or any other sweetener, and without any form of citrus fruit"
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Post by Mike on Jan 24, 2022 10:23:30 GMT
While we're on the subject of race issues in the news, I saw this encouraging video of how open and accepting the far East is becoming when warmly welcoming visitors for the upcoming winter Olympics
Nice.
I know these views exist worldwide but I struggle to believe such a welcome could ever take place in London without intervention by others on the crowd or (if they are lucky) policemen*
*Police-people sorry
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 24, 2022 10:28:04 GMT
I suppose we are all on a spectrum of wokeness and a spectrum of stupid.
My sister recently asked for a black coffee is a posh garden centre
Server " we don't use 'black' madam"
now I'm guessing someone was far left on the stupid and far right on the woke
Equally getting upset about using "chair" rather "chairman" might be left on the stupid and left on the woke spectrum
humans, you either love 'em or hate 'em
If I was your sister and my brain had functioned fast enough - admittedly a challenge on both counts - I would have been inclined to respond with "I didn't ask for a black madam, I asked for a black coffee". And don't call me Shirley.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 24, 2022 10:37:54 GMT
While we're on the subject of race issues in the news, I saw this encouraging video of how open and accepting the far East is becoming when warmly welcoming visitors for the upcoming winter Olympics Nice. I know these views exist worldwide but I struggle to believe such a welcome could ever take place in London without intervention by others on the crowd or (if they are lucky) policemen* *Police-people sorry The term "Police" or "Police Officers" are the normal collective terms, no need to jump through any linguistic hoops. Or Police Constable or Police Sergeant etc. if you want to address specific ranks.
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Post by james100 on Jan 24, 2022 10:41:35 GMT
<snip> And they aren't all men any more. So, along with firemen and postmen and policemen, why not reflect that minor detail by simply changing the job title...? It's not like there's any downside to that... If a man worked providing school lunches to pupils, would you be insisting he was called a "dinnerlady"? Interestingly, in French, the use of a single term for the job is deprecated because it's seen as sexist, due to it being a gendered language. "Facteur" for postie is deemed to exclude women - so there's a feminine-gender term, "factrice". Yet, in English, "actress" is deprecated as implying a lesser role, and both men and women are now referred to as actors. Even the fossils of the Academie Francaise agreed as much a few years ago... www.france24.com/en/20190228-french-language-academie-francaise-feminisation-professionswww.rfi.fr/en/france/20190301-french-language-authority-feminise-job-titles-academie-francaise"Political correctness gorn mad", or simple basic respect, providing the simplest recognition that both halves of the population can do the job just as well as each other? I suspect the people who rail hardest against it might simply not like that last detail...Reminds me of this (in fact that entire account is great):
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Post by keitha on Jan 24, 2022 10:53:54 GMT
As someone who went to Senior School in the 1970's people got called things that reflected their physical characteristics
Shorty was nearly always a tall guy
Lofty would be a shorter person
Ginge red hair
Donkey was the well endowed guy
Lord XXXXX, he had a upper class accent
Dusty, Surname was miller
Chalky, Surname was white ( and we had Big chalky and mini chalky in our class
4 eyes a glasses wearer
dustbin, the guy who always cleared his plate
I was schnoz (Or Schnozzle ) because of my large nose
Never to my knowledge in 7 years was reference made to colour or race
I suppose most of these would be offensive now
In Wales even now you have Jones the milk, Jones the post, Jones the veg and so on depending on jobs,
A certain well known Boxer refers to himself as "the Gypsy King" yet I was told years ago GYPSY was an offensive term
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jan 24, 2022 11:14:49 GMT
As someone who went to Senior School in the 1970's people got called things that reflected their physical characteristics Shorty was nearly always a tall guy Lofty would be a shorter person Ginge red hair Donkey was the well endowed guy Lord XXXXX, he had a upper class accent Dusty, Surname was miller Chalky, Surname was white ( and we had Big chalky and mini chalky in our class 4 eyes a glasses wearer dustbin, the guy who always cleared his plate I was schnoz (Or Schnozzle ) because of my large nose Never to my knowledge in 7 years was reference made to colour or race I suppose most of these would be offensive now In Wales even now you have Jones the milk, Jones the post, Jones the veg and so on depending on jobs, A certain well known Boxer refers to himself as "the Gypsy King" yet I was told years ago GYPSY was an offensive term I don't know about your school but mine in a semi-rural area had very few if any children from other races in the 70's. There was however a lot of bullying of children who were in any way different, too fat, too tall/short, red headed, too clever or stupid, poor and hence less well dressed, not pretty (girls usually), not athletic (boys usually), etc. I suspect racially different children would have been abused along with the rest.
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Post by keitha on Jan 24, 2022 11:19:15 GMT
One reason I liked and still am in favour of school uniform, it stops it being a fashion parade.
Not sure if it was bullying at my school, certainly teasing, I suppose it's when does it cross the line
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jan 24, 2022 12:16:20 GMT
One reason I liked and still am in favour of school uniform, it stops it being a fashion parade. Not sure if it was bullying at my school, certainly teasing, I suppose it's when does it cross the line Even uniform isn't an absolute leveller, it is obvious who has uniform far too big ('to grow into', don't want to buy often), too small and scruffy (can't afford new stuff), but it does help a bit, if it's not too dear.
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Post by keitha on Jan 24, 2022 12:44:06 GMT
what if Sir Geoffrey objected to the term Boycott ?
even recently I've heard the term "black balled" used
I was even referred to jokingly ( I think ) as a foreigner by a Welsh friend.
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