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Post by keitha on Jan 24, 2022 12:45:46 GMT
One reason I liked and still am in favour of school uniform, it stops it being a fashion parade. Not sure if it was bullying at my school, certainly teasing, I suppose it's when does it cross the line Even uniform isn't an absolute leveller, it is obvious who has uniform far too big ('to grow into', don't want to buy often), too small and scruffy (can't afford new stuff), but it does help a bit, if it's not too dear. But it stops child A flashing his Adidas, Nike etc compared to child B in his Lidl crivet brand, or F&F
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Post by bernythedolt on Jan 24, 2022 13:10:46 GMT
To you maybe, but think of the poor souls offended. And there's no mileage in trying to bring logic to the table, as you are here. We've allowed the permanently offended to dictate how things must be and there's no going back. We meekly accepted the absurd banning of blackboards and dustmen, and all kinds of other nonsense, and now food has come into silly season. You'll just have to roll with it... I obviously can't comment on what you did during the supposed "war of the blackboards", but I can safely say I never "meekly accepted" any such thing. Not least because to my knowledge it was never for any practical purpose actually happening. Or at least, not outside the confines perhaps of some "position paper" written by an overly elevated, self important and certainly overpaid council employee*. Which was subsequently ignored by virtually all. Or rather ignored by all other than elements of the popular press that can't pass up on any opportunity to whip up popular fury at such utter tosh, regardless of how manufactured it is. While of course counting the pounds from increased copy sales. I do know that the use of chalk - and therefore also the use of blackboards - went out with the ark. And also that I have never heard anyone object to the term "whiteboard" on the grounds it doesn't give equal opportunity to "blackboards", or offends non-white people because of the implied lack of diversity in the domain of vertically oriented physical ideation capture media. *Overpaid if they were writing such things, I should clarify. Oh, it happened alright, which is why a Google search is chock full of references to it. You were perhaps too young at the time, but I remember the calls in all seriousness for the word blackboard to be replaced by chalkboard, because it was creating offence. Just like Jamie Oliver's situation today. At work, around 2000, I remember developers writing software for my government organisation being told they couldn't assign workstations to a blacklist (as they'd called it) should they become compromised. They were forced to rename it for fear of generating offence. They were totally bemused, but needed the contract so they duly obliged. And have you forgotten the term 'black woman' had to be replaced by 'coloured woman' instead, because some people (and I feel they were mostly white) were becoming offended? You can't have failed to notice that even this somehow became so distressingly offensive in the past few years that we are apparently now obliged to perform an unnatural linguistic somersault and use the absurd 'woman of colour' instead of black or coloured woman. I'm still trying to work out how the replacement is any less offensive than the latter... but it keeps the perma-offended happier, so that's presumably reason enough. I'm afraid I view most of it as the latter day equivalent of the Emperor's New Clothes.
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Post by registerme on Jan 24, 2022 13:26:16 GMT
I think it's clear that some people take political correctness (assuming it is actually "correct") way too far. Just as some people are far too easily offended.
Still, just last week Mitch McConnell managed to say "Well the concern is misplaced, because if you look at the statistics, African American voters are voting in just as high a percentage as Americans", the implication being that African Americans aren't "proper" Americans.
And I can well understand why people would take offense at that.
Even if you accept his office's claim that he misspoke (ie leaving out an "other" before the final Americans in the sentence) it's still grist to the mill of those who think some elements of US society are irredeemably racist.
Words have power, language is important, and senior politicians should not make such mistakes (and that includes Biden for his regular fluffing of one comment or another).
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Post by adrianc on Jan 24, 2022 13:36:42 GMT
I'm afraid I view most of it as the latter day equivalent of the Emperor's New Clothes. I find that utterly unsurprising.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jan 24, 2022 13:55:11 GMT
I'm afraid I view most of it as the latter day equivalent of the Emperor's New Clothes. I find that utterly unsurprising. The irony is that by passing over the salient points and just picking out this one, it only serves to reinforce that view.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2022 14:01:48 GMT
A certain well known Boxer refers to himself as "the Gypsy King" yet I was told years ago GYPSY was an offensive term in woke world, the word matters and who uses it.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 24, 2022 14:03:30 GMT
I find that utterly unsurprising. The irony is that by passing over the salient points and just picking out this one, it only serves to reinforce that view. You didn't make any salient points. You rehashed a few urban myths, and showed no sign whatsoever of understanding why there might be more to it than "woke", whatever that may mean. Here's a thought for you... Consider the history behind the use of "black" and "coloured" as terms of oppression across various countries.  Election flyer from Clapham, 1966.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 24, 2022 14:05:33 GMT
A certain well known Boxer refers to himself as "the Gypsy King" yet I was told years ago GYPSY was an offensive term in woke world, the word matters and who uses it. Hence a black hip hop group can calls themselves NWA!
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 24, 2022 14:06:05 GMT
I obviously can't comment on what you did during the supposed "war of the blackboards", but I can safely say I never "meekly accepted" any such thing. Not least because to my knowledge it was never for any practical purpose actually happening. Or at least, not outside the confines perhaps of some "position paper" written by an overly elevated, self important and certainly overpaid council employee*. Which was subsequently ignored by virtually all. Or rather ignored by all other than elements of the popular press that can't pass up on any opportunity to whip up popular fury at such utter tosh, regardless of how manufactured it is. While of course counting the pounds from increased copy sales. I do know that the use of chalk - and therefore also the use of blackboards - went out with the ark. And also that I have never heard anyone object to the term "whiteboard" on the grounds it doesn't give equal opportunity to "blackboards", or offends non-white people because of the implied lack of diversity in the domain of vertically oriented physical ideation capture media. *Overpaid if they were writing such things, I should clarify. Oh, it happened alright, which is why a Google search is chock full of references to it. You were perhaps too young at the time, but I remember the calls in all seriousness for the word blackboard to be replaced by chalkboard, because it was creating offence. Just like Jamie Oliver's situation today. At work, around 2000, I remember developers writing software for my government organisation being told they couldn't assign workstations to a blacklist (as they'd called it) should they become compromised. They were forced to rename it for fear of generating offence. They were totally bemused, but needed the contract so they duly obliged. And have you forgotten the term 'black woman' had to be replaced by 'coloured woman' instead, because some people (and I feel they were mostly white) were becoming offended? You can't have failed to notice that even this somehow became so distressingly offensive in the past few years that we are apparently now obliged to perform an unnatural linguistic somersault and use the absurd 'woman of colour' instead of black or coloured woman. I'm still trying to work out how the replacement is any less offensive than the latter... but it keeps the perma-offended happier, so that's presumably reason enough. I'm afraid I view most of it as the latter day equivalent of the Emperor's New Clothes. unfortunately not too young. I certainly remember the stories in the press about it. And I'm sure they predate the early 2000's. I didn't deny that the stories existed, or indeed that perhaps there was the occasional dumb ass over-promoted Diversity/Equality/Anti-Discrmination "Officer" who thought the point of their role was to go through a dictionary, find all words suffixed with e.g. 'black' and come up with an alternative to "avoid racism". What I pushed back on was the concept that this somehow ever became mainstream i.e. it was pretty much for practical purposes utterly ignored, and that people had not 'meekly accepted' it. BTW, of perhaps even more note than the replacement of blackboards by whiteboards - and something that I had forgotten - is the rather salient point that prior to that they started to be replaced by boards of different colour. That is they were being replaced by boards that were in fact green. That was almost certainly a driver that led to use of the term blackboard gradually going out of fashion and being replaced by the more generic 'chalkboard' even before their widespread replacement with whiteboards.
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Post by benaj on Jan 24, 2022 14:53:56 GMT
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jan 24, 2022 15:07:44 GMT
Even uniform isn't an absolute leveller, it is obvious who has uniform far too big ('to grow into', don't want to buy often), too small and scruffy (can't afford new stuff), but it does help a bit, if it's not too dear. But it stops child A flashing his Adidas, Nike etc compared to child B in his Lidl crivet brand, or F&F Strangely shoes are not usually included in uniform apart from being suitable and the right colour, there was definitely some competition in the shoe stakes at my daughter's school, although that was quite a while ago now.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jan 24, 2022 15:12:40 GMT
The irony is that by passing over the salient points and just picking out this one, it only serves to reinforce that view. You didn't make any salient points. You rehashed a few urban myths, and showed no sign whatsoever of understanding why there might be more to it than "woke", whatever that may mean. Urban myths.... which appear to be mainstream policy. Any article you read now uses the newspeak language form "person of colour". It's hardly a myth! The point is, the nonsense that Jamie Oliver is having to contend with, and what upsets bracknellboy so, is nothing new but has been with us for years in one form or another.
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Post by benaj on Jan 24, 2022 15:14:22 GMT
Thanks for the “inclusion”, teachers tried everything to make resources so “colourful”. 😅 I would have a hard time “concentrate” if I was taught like this. youtu.be/-CpZAH6elIc |
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Post by adrianc on Jan 24, 2022 15:15:56 GMT
The point is, the nonsense that Jamie Oliver is having to contend with No, Oliver is choosing to hire people to help him try and avoid faux-pas like he made in 2011 over "Empire chicken"... "Toward the end of the episode, while carving the chicken, Oliver said, "this is empire food, you can use your hands," and then raised a toast "to the empire" while clinking beers with members of his camera crew."edition.cnn.com/travel/article/jamie-oliver-cultural-appropriation-scli-intl-gbr/index.htmlNow, I'm sure you can spot why that might be just a little bit cringe...? And that's the REAL point. That people are recognising their own previous mistakes, and trying to avoid repeating them. Not that there's hordes of bureaucrats descending on them, forcing them against their will... Not outside Daily-Mail-world, anyway.
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Post by keitha on Jan 24, 2022 15:54:27 GMT
I hate the "of colour" thing
I'm an able bodied Straight CIS Male of colour, cos Pinky White is a colour, as is Gammon !
In fact as an Able Bodied, Straight, CIS Male I'm probably the only minority that you can discriminate against
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