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Post by adrianc on May 29, 2022 12:52:28 GMT
Do you believe the EU banned imperial measurements, Berny?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2022 13:54:42 GMT
given how many people cannot differentiate between K and k or W or V (in this channel alone) what chance is the terminally moronic will be able to differentiate between lb and kg.
I understand is it conservative strategy to undo what the last conservative government did in the last parliament but even they cannot be so stupid as to try and undo 40 years of education because their key voters still think "perch" or "slug" is a standard unit of measure (look 'em up).
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Post by bernythedolt on May 29, 2022 13:59:06 GMT
Do you believe the EU banned imperial measurements, Berny? Shall we have a pint on it?
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Post by michaelc on May 29, 2022 14:09:20 GMT
Do you believe the EU banned imperial measurements, Berny? Do you believe the EU has had zero impact on the way imperial measurements are used in this country ?
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Post by adrianc on May 30, 2022 7:58:32 GMT
Do you believe the EU banned imperial measurements, Berny? Do you believe the EU has had zero impact on the way imperial measurements are used in this country ? Yes. 1818 - Select Committee on Weights and Measures - uniformity of weights and measures "desirable". 1862 - Select Committee on Weights and Measures - supported metrication. 1863 - Parliament passes bill for compulsory metrication. 1864 - Parliament passes Metric Weights and Measures Act 1868 - Parliamentary proposal to set cut-off date for imperial measure use, withdrawn by promise of a Royal Enquiry. 1871 - Compulsory metrication bill fails to pass Parliament by two votes. 1895 - Select Committee on Weights and Measures - "That the metrical system of weights and measures be at once legalised for all purposes", included in 1898 Weights and Measures Act. 1897 - Parliament unanimously agrees to legalise metric measurements for all purposes. 1904 - Parliament unanimously agrees to metricate within two years, government said they would offer no opposition. 1949 - Hodgson Report - recommended metrication. 1963 - British Standards Institute poll shows overwhelming support for metrication. 1963 - Parliament passes Weights and Measures Act 1965 - Board of Trade strongly recommended metrication in a parliamentary written answer, government agrees to support a metrication program to be completed by 1975. 1969 - Metrication Board set up by government. Final report outlines steps to fully metricate the country by 1978. 1970 - BSI finishes metrication of 1,200 primary British Standards. 1973 - UK joins European Community. The only effect on metrication is a requirement to implement 1971 directive on metrication, which requires formal definition of many units of measure that the UK hadn't previously defined (including amps, volts, watts, degrees celsius). 1975 - Most of remaining 4,000 British Standards metricated. 1993 - European Union created, by unanimous agreement of all member states. Remember, there's only one other country in the world that uses anything but metric - and they have different definitions for some of the same units...
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Post by adrianc on May 30, 2022 7:58:58 GMT
Do you believe the EU banned imperial measurements, Berny? Shall we have a pint on it? Is that a "yes", or a "no"?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2022 8:35:34 GMT
I had a journalist interview me yesterday about some green issues and I was chatting about the "right to repair". She said "but that is European law how can that affect us?"
LOL
For those who might still be lost in this subject. The EU sets standards for most of the world on product specifications. Leaving the EU just made sure we couldn't influence those laws not that we would not be influenced by them.
The Conservative party is three parties (don't get me started on the Labour party) the Breaksiteers, the Liberals and and the Looney right. Boris the clown has to feed them a bit so changing weights and measures feeds the Breaksiteers, stopping conversion therapy feeds the Liberals and changing policy on a 4 year cycle makes the Looneys happy. Though I have to admit who Patel makes happy is beyond me (perhaps the people who can't speak English proper) sic.
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Post by jonno on May 30, 2022 8:35:59 GMT
About forty odd years ago my mum went into the greengrocers for 5lb of spuds. The green grocer said "Sorry Joan but they're called kilos now". So she said "Ok Alf, I'll have 5lb of kilos then".
God, I still miss her.
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Post by adrianc on May 30, 2022 9:00:58 GMT
The Conservative party is three parties (don't get me started on the Labour party) the Breaksiteers, the Liberals and and the Looney right.
Point of order, Sir. BJ Piffle kicked the few remaining liberals out of the parliamentary party in September 2019. The other two are a very closely-related sliding scale.
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Post by IFISAcava on May 30, 2022 9:14:10 GMT
Interesting thread on the history of metrification/the allure of imperial measures
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Post by registerme on May 30, 2022 9:28:46 GMT
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Post by adrianc on May 30, 2022 9:52:01 GMT
Interesting thread on the history of metrification/the allure of imperial measures Delicious, thanks for that... A couple of the highlights: "A great example of this sentiment comes from the US-based International Institute for Preserving and Perfecting Weights and Measures: an anti-metric pressure group that wrote pamphlets, gave speeches, and lobbied politicians against adopting metric units....The group’s motivations are revealed wonderfully in their theme song: “A pint’s a pound the world around.”Except it isn't. A UK pint is 568ml, which weighs 568g (assuming water, obvs), while a pound is 454g. A US pint is 473ml... "The religious aspect of measurement may be surprising, but for much of its history, anti-metric sentiment has been intertwined with a belief that Imperial units have been divinely bestowed on mankind by God. Pounds and ounces are a “sacred heritage.”"Now this is a particularly amusing one, given that metric measurements are derived from the natural world, allegedly God's creation - the metre was originally defined in 1793 as 1/10,000,000 of the distance from the equator to the North Pole. It gets even more so when you remember that the current Imperial gallon (4.54 litres) wasn't defined until 1824, two decades after the litre, and was no more than an attempt to simplify the four different-sized gallons used in the country before then - one of which, the Queen Anne Wine gallon, lives on in the US gallon (3.8 litres). But that was only a century or so old at the time, having had various different definitions beforehand. "The proof for this theory was usually based on pyramidology — the pseudoscience that holds that measurements of the Great Pyramid at Giza encode sacred & scientific truths. In essence: adherents believe God designed the pyramid to communicate his favored measures to the world." Umm, I wonder which of the ancient Egyptian pantheon that would be? I mean, the Great Pyramid has been known to be the tomb of the Pharoah Cheops/Khufu since Herodotus in 450BC...
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Post by IFISAcava on May 30, 2022 9:58:19 GMT
Interesting thread on the history of metrification/the allure of imperial measures Delicious, thanks for that... A couple of the highlights: "A great example of this sentiment comes from the US-based International Institute for Preserving and Perfecting Weights and Measures: an anti-metric pressure group that wrote pamphlets, gave speeches, and lobbied politicians against adopting metric units....The group’s motivations are revealed wonderfully in their theme song: “A pint’s a pound the world around.”Except it isn't. A UK pint is 568ml, which weighs 568g (assuming water, obvs), while a pound is 454g. A US pint is 473ml... "The religious aspect of measurement may be surprising, but for much of its history, anti-metric sentiment has been intertwined with a belief that Imperial units have been divinely bestowed on mankind by God. Pounds and ounces are a “sacred heritage.”"Now this is a particularly amusing one, given that metric measurements are derived from the natural world, allegedly God's creation - the metre was originally defined in 1793 as 1/10,000,000 of the distance from the equator to the North Pole. It gets even more so when you remember that the current Imperial gallon (4.54 litres) wasn't defined until 1824, two decades after the litre, and was no more than an attempt to simplify the four different-sized gallons used in the country before then - one of which, the Queen Anne Wine gallon, lives on in the US gallon (3.8 litres). But that was only a century or so old at the time, having had various different definitions beforehand. "The proof for this theory was usually based on pyramidology — the pseudoscience that holds that measurements of the Great Pyramid at Giza encode sacred & scientific truths. In essence: adherents believe God designed the pyramid to communicate his favored measures to the world."Umm, I wonder which of the ancient Egyptian pantheon that would be? I mean, the Great Pyramid has been known to be the tomb of the Pharoah Cheops/Khufu since Herodotus in 450BC... Little gets past you adrian... But don't you get fatigued of trying to counter emotion with rationality and empiricism? I know I do... Anyway, cheers (raising a virtual 500ml glass).
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2022 10:04:20 GMT
The Conservative party is three parties (don't get me started on the Labour party) the Breaksiteers, the Liberals and and the Looney right.
Point of order, Sir. BJ Piffle kicked the few remaining liberals out of the parliamentary party in September 2019. The other two are a very closely-related sliding scale. Boris kicked out the MPs, not the parties which is more the 100,000 members+ hangers on
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Post by adrianc on May 30, 2022 10:06:39 GMT
But don't you get fatigued of trying to counter emotion with rationality and empiricism? I know I do... No, I find it endlessly amusing. I know, I need to eat more cheese before bed, or something... A ta santé, aussi. 
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