adrianc
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Post by adrianc on May 30, 2022 10:10:31 GMT
Point of order, Sir. BJ Piffle kicked the few remaining liberals out of the parliamentary party in September 2019. The other two are a very closely-related sliding scale. Boris kicked out the MPs, not the parties which is more the 100,000 members+ hangers on A bit more than that, but I suspect there are very few who do not fall into those other two camps. 180k as of early 2019, a bit over a third of Labour's, or about 50% more than the SNP... commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn05125/
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Post by jonno on May 30, 2022 10:10:39 GMT
But don't you get fatigued of trying to counter emotion with rationality and empiricism? I know I do... No, I find it endlessly amusing. I know, I need to eat more cheese before bed, or something... A ta santé, aussi.  Mmm.......I'm not too keen on Thwaites 
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2022 10:13:33 GMT
Imperial wire sizes are kinder amusing as well.
For those who don't understand this exotic issue it looks at wire, sheet metal and knitting needles and guess what they use different sizes in the US to the UK though with the same words. Even funnier is that the words meant different things up until ~1875, before then we operated with different towns setting the standards and before that different guilds in different towns set different standards. So Sheffield 12 wire was different to Birmingham 12 wire. All this nonsense finally lead to the formation of British Standards (BS) which was the core to the EU system of quality now. Yes a British system is now used at the core of the European standard system.
I know all this nonsense because I had to explain it to a Swiss rebuilder who had drawings of an ancient massive aluminium yacht hull in SWG (standard wire gauge) and we had to trace the dates to get clarity in something simple like millimeters.
Then there are shoes and clothes, it just goes on. Even good old Hubble telescope was out of focus because the Yanks used imperial and the British mirror designer used metric.
"so please Boris, you know SFA about most things, so please leave the few things that work in the UK alone"
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Post by adrianc on May 30, 2022 10:18:21 GMT
Mmm.......I'm not too keen on Thwaites  There are certainly times I could find a use for one of their products...  (A British-owned company, with the main shareholder being the third Baron Dulverton, former cross-bench member of the HoL - a family that made their money and titles from HO Wills tobacco, now Imperial Tobacco. And, of course, we all know where the tobacco plantations were and who worked on them.) Oh, the brewery? Just another defunct brand in Carlsberg's portfolio.
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Post by agent69 on May 30, 2022 10:53:08 GMT
 Umm, I wonder which of the ancient Egyptian pantheon that would be? I mean, the Great Pyramid has been known to be the tomb of the Pharoah Cheops/Khufu since Herodotus in 450BC... I used to play golf every Friday when I worked in Cairo. If you hit a big hook off the 9th tee you ended up in the grounds of the great pyramid.
The golf was  , but the view was different
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Post by bernythedolt on May 30, 2022 11:19:08 GMT
Do you believe the EU has had zero impact on the way imperial measurements are used in this country ? Yes. 1818 - Select Committee on Weights and Measures - uniformity of weights and measures "desirable". 1862 - Select Committee on Weights and Measures - supported metrication. 1863 - Parliament passes bill for compulsory metrication. 1864 - Parliament passes Metric Weights and Measures Act 1868 - Parliamentary proposal to set cut-off date for imperial measure use, withdrawn by promise of a Royal Enquiry. 1871 - Compulsory metrication bill fails to pass Parliament by two votes. 1895 - Select Committee on Weights and Measures - "That the metrical system of weights and measures be at once legalised for all purposes", included in 1898 Weights and Measures Act. 1897 - Parliament unanimously agrees to legalise metric measurements for all purposes. 1904 - Parliament unanimously agrees to metricate within two years, government said they would offer no opposition. 1949 - Hodgson Report - recommended metrication. 1963 - British Standards Institute poll shows overwhelming support for metrication. 1963 - Parliament passes Weights and Measures Act 1965 - Board of Trade strongly recommended metrication in a parliamentary written answer, government agrees to support a metrication program to be completed by 1975. 1969 - Metrication Board set up by government. Final report outlines steps to fully metricate the country by 1978. 1970 - BSI finishes metrication of 1,200 primary British Standards. 1973 - UK joins European Community. The only effect on metrication is a requirement to implement 1971 directive on metrication, which requires formal definition of many units of measure that the UK hadn't previously defined (including amps, volts, watts, degrees celsius). 1975 - Most of remaining 4,000 British Standards metricated. 1993 - European Union created, by unanimous agreement of all member states. Not quite the full story though. The EU then went on to push hard for the UK to abandon its imperial measures entirely, on packaging and in markets. It was only the UK backlash that prevented their steamrolling it through in 2009 as they'd planned. www.theguardian.com/world/2007/sep/11/eu.politicsEvery country in the world still uses the Nautical Mile and Knots - and most surprisingly Feet - in maritime and aviation. And you can still buy me that pint... even in Ireland. Sláinte
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Post by adrianc on May 30, 2022 11:32:30 GMT
Yes. 1818 - Select Committee on Weights and Measures - uniformity of weights and measures "desirable". 1862 - Select Committee on Weights and Measures - supported metrication. 1863 - Parliament passes bill for compulsory metrication. 1864 - Parliament passes Metric Weights and Measures Act 1868 - Parliamentary proposal to set cut-off date for imperial measure use, withdrawn by promise of a Royal Enquiry. 1871 - Compulsory metrication bill fails to pass Parliament by two votes. 1895 - Select Committee on Weights and Measures - "That the metrical system of weights and measures be at once legalised for all purposes", included in 1898 Weights and Measures Act. 1897 - Parliament unanimously agrees to legalise metric measurements for all purposes. 1904 - Parliament unanimously agrees to metricate within two years, government said they would offer no opposition. 1949 - Hodgson Report - recommended metrication. 1963 - British Standards Institute poll shows overwhelming support for metrication. 1963 - Parliament passes Weights and Measures Act 1965 - Board of Trade strongly recommended metrication in a parliamentary written answer, government agrees to support a metrication program to be completed by 1975. 1969 - Metrication Board set up by government. Final report outlines steps to fully metricate the country by 1978. 1970 - BSI finishes metrication of 1,200 primary British Standards. 1973 - UK joins European Community. The only effect on metrication is a requirement to implement 1971 directive on metrication, which requires formal definition of many units of measure that the UK hadn't previously defined (including amps, volts, watts, degrees celsius). 1975 - Most of remaining 4,000 British Standards metricated. 1993 - European Union created, by unanimous agreement of all member states. Not quite the full story though. The EU then went on to push hard for the UK to abandon its imperial measures entirely, on packaging and in markets. It was only the UK backlash that prevented their steamrolling it through in 2009 as they'd planned. www.theguardian.com/world/2007/sep/11/eu.politicsGiven that the question was... Do you believe the EU has had zero impact on the way imperial measurements are used in this country ? ...I'll take this opportunity to thank you for helping demonstrate my answer of "yes" as accurate. It also provides the answer you failed to... Do you believe the EU banned imperial measurements, Berny? Shall we have a pint on it? Is that a "yes", or a "no"? And, as you have so eloquently demonstrated - No, they did not. So, to go back to the entirely accurate meme that started off this subthread...
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Post by bernythedolt on May 30, 2022 11:49:12 GMT
Not quite the full story though. The EU then went on to push hard for the UK to abandon its imperial measures entirely, on packaging and in markets. It was only the UK backlash that prevented their steamrolling it through in 2009 as they'd planned. www.theguardian.com/world/2007/sep/11/eu.politicsGiven that the question was... Do you believe the EU has had zero impact on the way imperial measurements are used in this country ? ...I'll take this opportunity to thank you for helping demonstrate my answer of "yes" as accurate. It also provides the answer you failed to... Is that a "yes", or a "no"? And, as you have so eloquently demonstrated - No, they did not. Or, more honestly, they tried to but they didn't succeed.
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Post by ilmoro on May 30, 2022 11:54:34 GMT
So, to go back to the entirely accurate meme that started off this subthread... Entirely accurate? - you mean apart from the name  PS I might be missing something here but given that UK legislation to implement EU directives required that certain products had to be advertised in metric (equally prominently to Imperial) and could no longer only be sold in Imperial only - the correct answer to the question is no - the EU didnt have zero impact, not least the costs of reprinting menus so a 4oz patty was advertised as a 113.6523g (4oz) patty (Theoretical example)
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Post by adrianc on May 30, 2022 12:01:04 GMT
Given that the question was... ...I'll take this opportunity to thank you for helping demonstrate my answer of "yes" as accurate. It also provides the answer you failed to... And, as you have so eloquently demonstrated - No, they did not. Or, more honestly, they tried to but they didn't succeed. It's almost like they weren't actually foisting rules on us and we had input after all. Who knew? But, wait. That'd mean that the brokeiteers lied... <faints in shock at very thought>
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Post by ilmoro on May 30, 2022 12:29:08 GMT
Or, more honestly, they tried to but they didn't succeed. It's almost like they weren't actually foisting rules on us and we had input after all. Who knew? But, wait. That'd mean that the brokeiteers lied... <faints in shock at very thought> Well, just for the record, the EEC directive was already in place when we joined so no influence on its formation (inline with UK govt policy) - 5 years to convert Subsequently asked for a (derogation) extension - given until 1985, 1989, then to 1994, 1999, 2009. In 2009, issues with US trade allowed continued use of supplemental units (ie could display both) - guessing UK had some input there.
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Post by bernythedolt on May 30, 2022 12:30:18 GMT
Or, more honestly, they tried to but they didn't succeed. It's almost like they weren't actually foisting rules on us and we had input after all. Who knew? But, wait. That'd mean that the brokeiteers lied... <faints in shock at very thought> I'm off to chill out and pour myself 0.57 litres of beer, suggest you do the same 🍺🍺
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Post by keitha on May 30, 2022 13:16:19 GMT
Err Bernie 0.57 Litres isnt a full pint
A pint being 568.26125 ml although I doubt anyone could pour it accurate to more than 1 decimal place
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Post by keitha on May 30, 2022 13:23:50 GMT
Back to amusing
story locally about a guy being banned from driving for 4.5 years, the address given is Cardiff Prison where he is serving a longish sentence for threatening someone with a machete and other matters. from reading up it looks like he is serving several concurrent driving bans
He was first convicted at 12 years of age so 19 years hasn't really had an impact, and naturally the defence trots out the usual troubled life excuses.
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Post by registerme on May 30, 2022 14:18:41 GMT
Err Bernie 0.57 Litres isnt a full pint A pint being 568.26125 ml although I doubt anyone could pour it accurate to more than 1 decimal place AC could give it a good go.
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, but the view was different
