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Post by agent69 on Jun 12, 2022 11:32:52 GMT
I seem to remember that IQ tests were particularly difficult for cultures where straight lines and circles and such things were not understood and for generations after, ie, particularly people living out in the wild. If we are bragging here I think I got 146 in IQ back in the day I dread to think what it would be now (a lot less probably). Physics, Civil Engineering in my further education + into software afterwards. As I recall (it was an awful long time ago), 140+ placed you in the top 1% of the country and was rated by Mensa as "Genius"👌. SWMBO's 158 pipped me by 3 points....something she's never let me forget these past 40+ years. I rib her that I solved the puzzles while she scored heavily on the pretty pictures part of the test. 😁. My best mate scored 161, which I believe is, or was, the highest rating Mensa UK will assign, so his true figure could be higher. Just found this table on the internet
- above 130 Very gifted
- 121-130 Gifted
- 111-120 Above average intelligence
- 90-110 Average intelligence
- 80-89 Below average intelligence
- 70-79 Cognitively impaired
- below 70 P2P investor
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2022 13:15:35 GMT
I wrote my Masters on testing and usage of testing and found much of the methodology pretty dodgy with a fine mixture of culture and gender bias built in. Over the years I've only used such tools to choose between very similar candidates for roles rather than any initial assessment. Frankly, people hire people, not score cards. Alternatively I found that the French hire by hand writing :-)
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 12, 2022 15:28:00 GMT
I wrote my Masters on testing and usage of testing and found much of the methodology pretty dodgy with a fine mixture of culture and gender bias built in. Over the years I've only used such tools to choose between very similar candidates for roles rather than any initial assessment. Frankly, people hire people, not score cards. Alternatively I found that the French hire by hand writing :-) This. Definitely this.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jun 12, 2022 15:48:44 GMT
I wrote my Masters on testing and usage of testing and found much of the methodology pretty dodgy with a fine mixture of culture and gender bias built in. Over the years I've only used such tools to choose between very similar candidates for roles rather than any initial assessment. Frankly, people hire people, not score cards. Alternatively I found that the French hire by hand writing :-) This. Definitely this. Not the entire story though, is it? For very many jobs, the initial sift is made solely on the 'score card' (one's qualifications) before the person behind them even gets a look in. If you lack the appropriate score card, you won't get any further. This is a good thing. You wouldn't want your eyes tested or your teeth drilled by some wingnut who just happens to have a wonderful personality.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 12, 2022 16:15:08 GMT
Not the entire story though, is it? For very many jobs, the initial sift is made solely on the 'score card' (one's qualifications) before the person behind them even gets a look in. If you lack the appropriate score card, you won't get any further. This is a good thing. You wouldn't want your eyes tested or your teeth drilled by some wingnut who just happens to have a wonderful personality. Well quite, but who was denying that there is a sifting process to get to interview lists ? However I think @bobo's comment was slanted more to the sort of paper tests one is subjected to on recruitment, not about qualifications. Those tests allow HR depts to show they are doing due process to not recruit sociopaths (though in my experience a good number still seem to get through, probably because they are good at faking it). People recruit people, but they can't assess them as people until they have got through the front door which means getting over the initial hurdles (qualifications, experience, quality of CV etc). Rather self evident I would suggest.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2022 16:26:03 GMT
I saw a paper that showed that 80% of CEOs were borderline or actual sociopaths. That is what you need to get it done.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 12, 2022 17:07:40 GMT
I saw a paper that showed that 80% of CEOs were borderline or actual sociopaths. That is what you need to get it done.I am not surprised by the first sentence, but not sure I agree with the latter. I was going to add to my last post, that it is possible that some tests are in fact designed to select FOR sociopathic traits:-) I think being such helps you to climb over the bodies to get to that position, I'm far less sure its the best character type for doing the actual job. I worked for a period for what I took to be a truly dreadful manager (I'm sure we have all been there). Out of curiosity I looked up the typical characteristics of a sociopath, and he ticked nearly everyone of them. It was a genuine eye opener, and actually helped me to handle the situation much better. But the point was he was truly loathed by pretty much everyone who worked for him, then or at anytime in the past. He had little inclination and even less skill for building 'effective teams'. I'm not really even sure he understood the concept of 'team' beyond it giving him a head count. I think his having a team was seen as a necessary evil, and an encumbrance to the main job at hand, namely working his way up the greasy pole and feathering his own nest. Any success we had was down to us, not to him, and any managerial success was purely hangover from the previous. Over time, not surprisingly, the overall team performance declined. Yet he was a total master of brown nosing seniors - to a nauseating degree and much to the detriment of his team on many counts - and manouevering within the organisation to his own advantage. I still hold him in utter contempt.
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Post by registerme on Jun 12, 2022 20:03:56 GMT
OK, not in the news, but a friend of mine who lives in the arse end of northern Norway sent this to me and it made me chuckle  .  |
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 12, 2022 20:28:57 GMT
that looks suspicsiously like Wally the Walrus....again link |
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Post by registerme on Jun 12, 2022 20:41:48 GMT
that looks suspicsiously like Wally the Walrus....again linkYour skills at walrus identification are quite superior to mine.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jun 12, 2022 20:42:47 GMT
I saw a paper that showed that 80% of CEOs were borderline or actual sociopaths. That is what you need to get it done. Similarly, special forces and psychopaths. An SAS guy being interviewed said they were essentially all 'psychopaths', and needed to be so in order to kill on demand and without remorse or nagging conscience. The difference was they could switch it off once an exercise was stood down. Part of selection was to root out those who couldn't tread this fine line.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 13, 2022 9:52:41 GMT
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jun 13, 2022 10:07:58 GMT
I saw a paper that showed that 80% of CEOs were borderline or actual sociopaths. That is what you need to get it done. Similarly, special forces and psychopaths. An SAS guy being interviewed said they were essentially all 'psychopaths', and needed to be so in order to kill on demand and without remorse or nagging conscience. The difference was they could switch it off once an exercise was stood down. Part of selection was to root out those who couldn't tread this fine line. Not so sure about being able to switch it off! But psychopaths are very good liars usually.
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Post by overthehill on Jun 13, 2022 10:17:40 GMT
Brexit was just another a Russian building block to invade Ukraine and the rest. I don't think putler was expecting the UK to go it alone but the EU response would defintely have been different with the UK leading it.
Putin has done more for the EU, Nato and the World in 3 months than anybody since the Cold War ended. There are Russian agents and assets in every country and there always has been, now it's top priority again with security services.
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Post by jonno on Jun 13, 2022 10:18:13 GMT
OK, not in the news, but a friend of mine who lives in the arse end of northern Norway sent this to me and it made me chuckle  . Just try sending him to Rwanda!
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