|
Post by overthehill on Aug 17, 2024 17:39:36 GMT
Merkel apology and pigs fly.
|
|
|
Post by captainconfident on Aug 17, 2024 17:46:17 GMT
one thing the last 2 years has taught us is that Russia's top soldiers are (a bit like Sadam Hussein's republican guard) and the conscripts are even worse. Any backup sent to the region would doubtless be cannon fodder the moment they put their heads above the parapets. You can say this, but there is always the possibility that a tactical genius Russian general is lurking out there somewhere. Granted that so far there has been no sign that their military system can produce such a thing, but you can never be certain. Which is why I'm trying to sound cagey. But even a brilliant general can't succeed if their army has been bled dry of equipment and trained experienced soldiers. On reflection, the time to shine for a Russian general was last year not this.
|
|
|
Post by bracknellboy on Aug 18, 2024 6:36:13 GMT
There could be a couple of reasons, but one of which I think is likely the other unlikely. Firstly the one that is unlikely. If StormShadow had US components and/or "contents" that was under ITAR then their usage could be subject to some form of US restrictions/approval. That might even be (but less likely) when used by UK or Fr themselves. But a little more likely where they had been transferred to a 3rd party. FWIW I think this is unlikely the reason. Why? Because SS is an MBDA weapon system developed for and in use with UK and France, and while the UK might be comfortable with some restrictions I think it is very unlikely the French would have allowed themselves to be hamstrung by the US in that way. The far more likely reason would be that the western parties / NATO member countries have reached a general consensus to be get mutual agreement / consent, or at least consent from the US, for use of weapons for strikes into Russia. Because of NATO mutual defence commitments. E.g. if Poland was to chuck missiles/shells at a target inside Russia - regardless of whether it was using US, British, French or entirely indigenous weapons - it would seem to be a bit of a stretch for it then to invoke NATO Article 5 when Russia retaliated. So this is just an extrapolation from that more extreme example. The shorter answer is: "Yes" out of interest, while chewing my breakfast cereal, I found the following: "The missile was made ITAR-free at the initiative of France.[32]"
|
|
michaelc
Member of DD Central
Say No To T.D.S.
Posts: 5,715
Likes: 2,986
|
Post by michaelc on Aug 18, 2024 15:57:43 GMT
|
|
ilmoro
Member of DD Central
'Wondering which of the bu***rs to blame, and watching for pigs on the wing.' - Pink Floyd
Posts: 11,334
Likes: 11,558
|
Post by ilmoro on Aug 19, 2024 8:52:38 GMT
Seems to me there is a possibility of that happening (a rout) is there not? If they don't dig in soon will they not be highly vulnerable (the Ukr offensive troops that is) ? And if they do dig in, does Russia not just pour in vast resources of people and ammunition to "solve" the problem ? Not resources from existing front lines but news ones as they always have done as history has shown. Nobody knows the answer to that at the moment. But the signs that Russia is at the bottom of the barrel are now evident. Scrapheap Challenge is nearly over. Putting yourself at the table with the Ukrainian planners, and I don't think the shape of the course of the Seym River has escaped their notice as far as defensible boundaries are concerned. www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/picturedisplay.asp?linkpath=pic/S/E/Seim%20River_Map.jpg&page=pages/S/E/SeimRiver.htm&id=13590&pid=9696&tyt=Seim%20River&key=Seim+River%2C+%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B9%D0%BC%3BThe bit to the west of the incursion that I earlier suggested Ukraine would attack seems likely to fall them without a fight. Edit: This person agrees Down to just a pontoon bridge now reportedly... all pre-war crossing dropped or inoperable to vehicles. Ukr have entered Oblast near Tetkino and occupied the west bank of the Seym
|
|
michaelc
Member of DD Central
Say No To T.D.S.
Posts: 5,715
Likes: 2,986
|
Post by michaelc on Aug 19, 2024 11:06:49 GMT
Down to just a pontoon bridge now reportedly... all pre-war crossing dropped or inoperable to vehicles. Ukr have entered Oblast near Tetkino and occupied the west bank of the Seym Are you saying the three bridges in the area have now been hit by Ukr ? That would be good. I had thought there was still one left.
|
|
ilmoro
Member of DD Central
'Wondering which of the bu***rs to blame, and watching for pigs on the wing.' - Pink Floyd
Posts: 11,334
Likes: 11,558
|
Post by ilmoro on Aug 19, 2024 15:52:27 GMT
Down to just a pontoon bridge now reportedly... all pre-war crossing dropped or inoperable to vehicles. Ukr have entered Oblast near Tetkino and occupied the west bank of the Seym Are you saying the three bridges in the area have now been hit by Ukr ? That would be good. I had thought there was still one left. Yes ... reported by miliblogs earlier but picked up by MSM now inews.co.uk/news/world/ukraine-last-bridge-russian-forces-kursk-3234225
|
|
michaelc
Member of DD Central
Say No To T.D.S.
Posts: 5,715
Likes: 2,986
|
Post by michaelc on Aug 19, 2024 15:58:33 GMT
Out of interest do you read the Telegram/viber groups direct with an auto-translate or do you rely on the folks at X to inform you? I'll be honest and say I'm too lazy to dive into Telegram (other than the apartment groups I'm in for Kyiv).
|
|
|
Post by captainconfident on Aug 19, 2024 19:31:23 GMT
So the other side of the coin here is this move towards Pokrovst. Advancing fast to the west it is indeed. But what about the salient the Russians are creating here? liveuamap.comEither the Ukrainians have been stripped if short medium range artillery, or the Russians have gone mad. Its as if some supreme commander has said "I want Pokrovsk! Get me Pokrovsk!". And so they bash towards it regardless of the strategic threat. If the Ukrainians had armour in force to North or south, they could drive straight across that. There is the distinct possibility that Ukraine has left one golden opportunity on the table in favour of another.
|
|
ilmoro
Member of DD Central
'Wondering which of the bu***rs to blame, and watching for pigs on the wing.' - Pink Floyd
Posts: 11,334
Likes: 11,558
|
Post by ilmoro on Aug 19, 2024 20:48:02 GMT
So the other side of the coin here is this move towards Pokrovst. Advancing fast to the west it is indeed. But what about the salient the Russians are creating here? liveuamap.comEither the Ukrainians have been stripped if short medium range artillery, or the Russians have gone mad. Its as if some supreme commander has said "I want Pokrovsk! Get me Pokrovsk!". And so they bash towards it regardless of the strategic threat. If the Ukrainians had armour in force to North or south, they could drive straight across that. There is the distinct possibility that Ukraine has left one golden opportunity on the table in favour of another. They reportedly pulled troops from here for the Kursk operation ... they are evacuating so I dont think they have anything spare to counter with ... everything mech is in front to block the advance, there is nothing really north or south ... the Russians are repeatedly outflanking Ukr defences, following ridgelines x.com/AMK_Mapping_/status/1823923911756775667
|
|
|
Post by captainconfident on Aug 19, 2024 20:52:21 GMT
So the other side of the coin here is this move towards Pokrovst. Advancing fast to the west it is indeed. But what about the salient the Russians are creating here? liveuamap.comEither the Ukrainians have been stripped if short medium range artillery, or the Russians have gone mad. Its as if some supreme commander has said "I want Pokrovsk! Get me Pokrovsk!". And so they bash towards it regardless of the strategic threat. If the Ukrainians had armour in force to North or south, they could drive straight across that. There is the distinct possibility that Ukraine has left one golden opportunity on the table in favour of another. They reportedly pulled troops from here for the Kursk operation ... they are evacuating so I dont think they have anything spare to counter with ... everything mech is in front to block the advance, there is nothing really north or south ... the Russians are repeatedly outflanking Ukr defences, following ridgelines x.com/AMK_Mapping_/status/1823923911756775667They were reportedly under strength and unable to hold on before they staged the first invasion of Russia since WW2. The Russians advance in slow motion. The Ukrainians tend to appear suddenly with a surprise.
|
|
michaelc
Member of DD Central
Say No To T.D.S.
Posts: 5,715
Likes: 2,986
|
Post by michaelc on Aug 20, 2024 13:53:58 GMT
Out of interest do you read the Telegram/viber groups direct with an auto-translate or do you rely on the folks at X to inform you? I'll be honest and say I'm too lazy to dive into Telegram (other than the apartment groups I'm in for Kyiv). Either it's a secret or particularly hard for chatgpt to answer.
|
|
ilmoro
Member of DD Central
'Wondering which of the bu***rs to blame, and watching for pigs on the wing.' - Pink Floyd
Posts: 11,334
Likes: 11,558
|
Post by ilmoro on Aug 20, 2024 17:02:43 GMT
Out of interest do you read the Telegram/viber groups direct with an auto-translate or do you rely on the folks at X to inform you? I'll be honest and say I'm too lazy to dive into Telegram (other than the apartment groups I'm in for Kyiv). Either it's a secret or particularly hard for chatgpt to answer. Sorry I was busy and then it got lost amongst all the chatter/likes. I don't read the telegram, just the miliblogs/geo-mappers who verify & pull it together. You might notice I predate chatgpt by about 10 years ...
|
|
michaelc
Member of DD Central
Say No To T.D.S.
Posts: 5,715
Likes: 2,986
|
Post by michaelc on Aug 21, 2024 16:27:13 GMT
This is part of an article today of Izvestia - Russian "popular" press. I'm fairly sure this is utter bullshit but come on where can I find PROOF this is BS ? iz.ru/1745929/semen-boikov/raskinuli-alians-v-svr-rasskazali-o-roli-chetyrekh-stran-nato-v-podgotovke-ataki-na-kurskuiu-oblast— It's a matter of time until all enemy units are destroyed. These are small terrorist and sabotage groups, they operate in groups of 10-12 people, they hide in forest plantations, in abandoned villages. In apartments, basements, and so on. They make sorties, it's not easy to detect them, because they may not even have transport, — military expert Viktor Litovkin tells Izvestia.
According to him, from a military point of view, the operation was initially completely hopeless. The Russian side had already blocked all escape routes for the participants in the operation.
"Those who remained in the Kursk region are suicides. At the same time, the West and Kyiv, among others, counted on the media noise that they needed to demonstrate their ability to harm Russia. And against this background, they tried to mobilize the population and their armed forces for confrontation," he added.
|
|
registerme
Member of DD Central
Posts: 6,624
Likes: 6,437
|
Post by registerme on Aug 21, 2024 17:18:45 GMT
But... what would you consider "proof"? And on what basis would you validate it?
If I said it was bollocks would you consider that proof? If the MSM said so? If non-MSM said so? If a pro-Ukraine Telegram channel said so? If a pro-Russia Telegram channel said so?
"In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies".
- Winston Churchill
|
|