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Post by benaj on Sept 14, 2024 15:55:54 GMT
Any chance for putin claiming victory this year by “ending” the war with a phone call? The prison exchange is a good start. Ukraine has carried out a prisoner swap with Russia for the second time in two days. Will we see more peaceful resolution soon?
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Post by k6 on Sept 14, 2024 16:57:48 GMT
The use of these weapons will do exactly opposite to your opinion. You serve same rhetoric as what does russia propaganda. "or possibly do some kind of major cyber attack on the UK" - very important to mention UK here since we are UK platform. Scaremongering continues. "not in the interest of the UK population" - really ? "and he is only doing it to please his masters in Washington." - well, some have their own masters, angrysaveruk ? I do not think it is scaremongering to suggest that if the UK green lights the use of long range missiles into Russia there will be some kind of retaliation. I would argue that Putin will have no choice but to make some kind of response - even if he does not want to. What his response will be I can only speculate, I do not expect he will order a direct missile strike on the UK - at least I hope not. There is very good reasons why Germany has refused to even send long range missiles to Ukraine. Firing UK missiles directly into mainland Russia is an extremely dangerous step in my opinion and the Russians have said will be viewed totally differently from NATO involvement in the Proxy war in Ukraine and the use of NATO missiles to attack Russian targets in Ukraine. To make a comparison I would say the difference would be the involvement of China in the Vietnam war and their attacks on US targets in Vietnam via the Viet Cong Proxy compared to China providing missile to the Viet Cong to directly target US military basis within the US * * - one of the unspoken rule of the various proxy wars between the super powers so far seems to have been they do not directly or indirectly target each others territory and confine their involvement to the country in which the proxy war is taking place. There will be ZERO retaliation. Putler has no option in here. He can't and will not nuke UK, get over this idea cos its getting boring. The reason of Garmany acting is simply too much russia influence there. Germans are very much selfish in their politics regarding Ukraine situation and whole pressure on immigration. I strongly believe the current influx of all those, so called refugees and pressure by Germany to accept them is influenced by russia. They slowly wakening up to the fact they were wrong. Germany, unfraternally, are a week spot in UE currently. Ukraine has every right to defend their territory and seek support where ever they feel like. It is russia that cause all this problem and its russia that needs to pay for it
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 14, 2024 17:52:07 GMT
Ukraine attacking inside Russia does not sit comfortably with me, necessarily. I'd prefer if they were continuing to defend their own territory. BUT... if the attacks inside Russia are limited to denying Russia the capability of attacking, destroying the airbases etc, then I'm reasonably happy. Ukraine has been attacking inside Russia but not using NATO missiles. Russia's objection seems to be that the use of Storm Shadow missiles has at some level to involve the UK military or NATO military - whether this is true or not I have no idea. Not correct. The objection that Russia has is the same objection that they have had to every other 'outraged of Moscow' response to Western arms supply. Such as tanks. And ATGMs. And Patriot systems. And and and. Namely, they don't want Ukr's ability to defend itself to be propped up by the West. In this particular case the propaganda justification is blah blah blah. In the same way that their previous justifications have been blah blah blah. The actual objection remains the same. The professed objection will be whatever they decide they want to make it.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Sept 14, 2024 18:18:49 GMT
Ukraine has been attacking inside Russia but not using NATO missiles. Russia's objection seems to be that the use of Storm Shadow missiles has at some level to involve the UK military or NATO military - whether this is true or not I have no idea. Not correct. The objection that Russia has is the same objection that they have had to every other 'outraged of Moscow' response to Western arms supply. Such as tanks. And ATGMs. And Patriot systems. And and and. Namely, they don't want Ukr's ability to defend itself to be propped up by the West. In this particular case the propaganda justification is blah blah blah. In the same way that their previous justifications have been blah blah blah. The actual objection remains the same. The professed objection will be whatever they decide they want to make it. I always find it amazing how your posts exactly mirror the MSM line on every single issue - it is an incredible coincidence.
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 14, 2024 20:30:07 GMT
Not correct. The objection that Russia has is the same objection that they have had to every other 'outraged of Moscow' response to Western arms supply. Such as tanks. And ATGMs. And Patriot systems. And and and. Namely, they don't want Ukr's ability to defend itself to be propped up by the West. In this particular case the propaganda justification is blah blah blah. In the same way that their previous justifications have been blah blah blah. The actual objection remains the same. The professed objection will be whatever they decide they want to make it. I always find it amazing how your posts exactly mirror the MSM line on every single issue - it is an incredible coincidence. well I can't really comment on your amazement, or your ability to distinguish between independent critical analysis and something else. Back to the actual point: which bit of my post do you think is erroneous? You disagree that Putin has previously been 'outraged' by pretty much every other piece of support? That there is always a reason given for that outrage? That given that, it is a reasonable logical conclusion that the actual objection is not that publicly stated, but something that is a more common denominator?
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Sept 14, 2024 21:53:32 GMT
That was back at the start of June and it was to commemorate the fallen in the WW2 wasn't it ? Hardly the same as a dash across the pond. Need to remember your name by the way - its got a "t" at the end. no chatGP is the online AI doctor service which is why its understanding of the war in Ukraine is poor Or is excellent as it has to deal with the consequences
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Post by angrysaveruk on Sept 15, 2024 7:32:45 GMT
I always find it amazing how your posts exactly mirror the MSM line on every single issue - it is an incredible coincidence. well I can't really comment on your amazement, or your ability to distinguish between independent critical analysis and something else. Back to the actual point: which bit of my post do you think is erroneous? You disagree that Putin has previously been 'outraged' by pretty much every other piece of support? That there is always a reason given for that outrage? That given that, it is a reasonable logical conclusion that the actual objection is not that publicly stated, but something that is a more common denominator? One of the main talking points in the MSM is we can push Putin and Russia as far as we want he will not directly retaliate. This is not true since there have probably been a number of things the Russians have done including ruthlessly targeting NATO personal and NATO training facilities inside Ukraine with hypersonic missiles. Russians have also probably been providing advanced weaponry to people who consider themselves enemies of the US as an act of retaliation - for example Russia's arming of Iran has almost certainly been a side effect of the situation in Ukraine. However I would argue the use of NATO missiles into Russia itself is a real red line - Putin has pretty much said Russia will consider it an act of war publicly and has obviously made some very serious statements to the US on the matter behind closed doors. Thankfully it looks like the UK/US are going to back down on this now and are back tracking. The reality is Ukraine cannot win this war, should have accepted the settlement Russia offered at the start of the conflict and the only way forward is trying to find some new settlement - antagonising Russia further will not do anything other than make the situation worse for NATO and the Ukrainians. The war in Ukraine has demonstrated that the West/US no longer has a major military advantage over the rest of the world, and I genuinely hope it has discouraged some warmongers from a conflict with China.
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Post by adrianc on Sept 15, 2024 7:44:02 GMT
Not correct. The objection that Russia has is the same objection that they have had to every other 'outraged of Moscow' response to Western arms supply. Such as tanks. And ATGMs. And Patriot systems. And and and. Namely, they don't want Ukr's ability to defend itself to be propped up by the West. In this particular case the propaganda justification is blah blah blah. In the same way that their previous justifications have been blah blah blah. The actual objection remains the same. The professed objection will be whatever they decide they want to make it. I always find it amazing how your posts exactly mirror the MSM line on every single issue - it is an incredible coincidence. When everything and everybody outside your particular conspiracy theory looks alike, there's two probable alternative explanations. 1. EVERYTHING and EVERYBODY else is wrong. 2. You're wrong.
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 15, 2024 8:01:11 GMT
well I can't really comment on your amazement, or your ability to distinguish between independent critical analysis and something else. Back to the actual point: which bit of my post do you think is erroneous? You disagree that Putin has previously been 'outraged' by pretty much every other piece of support? That there is always a reason given for that outrage? That given that, it is a reasonable logical conclusion that the actual objection is not that publicly stated, but something that is a more common denominator? ... None of which I was addressing nor was the subject of my post on which you were commenting. Also: None of which I was addressing nor was the subject of my post on which you were commenting. What was the point you were making?
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Post by angrysaveruk on Sept 15, 2024 16:36:58 GMT
Also: None of which I was addressing nor was the subject of my post on which you were commenting. What was the point you were making? Looks like Starmer isnt the only one doing some back tracking...
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Sept 16, 2024 12:34:18 GMT
Reports of additional Ukr incursions into Kursk Oblast to the west of the original attack, perhaps in an attempt to distract from the counter-offensive driving into the existing salient.
All seems like a distraction when the front in Donestk is looking increasingly fragile ... Pokrovsk & Myrnohrad utilities cut off and transport networks being systematically cut
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Post by registerme on Sept 18, 2024 8:04:01 GMT
Something quite large went boom in Russia last night.
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Post by captainconfident on Sept 18, 2024 13:10:57 GMT
Day 938 of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. In the context of Putin's Covid essay, in which the Baltic States do not exist, the legitimate borders of Greater Rus are Kaliningrad, Moldova, you would have to say that the progress of the world's mightiest army is slow.
Ukraine won this war in the first week and the rest has been plain murder to save the defeated tyrant from humiliation.
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Post by michaelc on Sept 18, 2024 15:06:29 GMT
Day 938 of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. In the context of Putin's Covid essay, in which the Baltic States do not exist, the legitimate borders of Greater Rus are Kaliningrad, Moldova, you would have to say that the progress of the world's mightiest army is slow. Ukraine won this war in the first week and the rest has been plain murder to save the defeated tyrant from humiliation. All very good but when is it going to end ? Soon after November 5 (regardless) ? Lots of chatter all around about freezing the conflict but what does that mean? Presumably Ukraine losing a heck of a lot of territory but if its going to happen just get on with it but make sure there are _military_ and diplomatic reasons why it can't happen again and make sure the UN doesn't recognise the areas Russia stole.
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Post by captainconfident on Sept 18, 2024 17:48:45 GMT
Something quite large went boom in Russia last night. Fun thing about this was the local governor, who said that they shot down all the drones but "falling debris started a fire".
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