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Post by michaelc on Sept 18, 2024 19:45:53 GMT
Something quite large went boom in Russia last night. Fun thing about this was the local governor, who said that they shot down all the drones but "falling debris started a fire". That is also the typical response when flats get damaged in Kyiv.
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 18, 2024 20:30:08 GMT
Fun thing about this was the local governor, who said that they shot down all the drones but "falling debris started a fire". That is also the typical response when flats get damaged in Kyiv. Yes, and not surprisingly. And may quite often be the case, and maybe sometimes not. However in this case it does seem to be quite a large fire, should we say. Possibly across several warehouses. Storing fuel and ammunition. Allegedly. Might have been caused by falling debris. Or some foot soldier being indiscriminate in their cigarette disposal. But in this case perhaps a touch more likely one or more things actually went bang where they were meant to.
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Post by registerme on Sept 18, 2024 21:01:06 GMT
6km squared of ammo dump?
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 18, 2024 21:23:59 GMT
6km squared of ammo dump? I assume we are talking the same thing: Toropets ? I don't know how large the actual ammo dump and fuel depot actually was (though I'd say it was more a complex than an ammo dump). I also don't know where you the 6km 2 figure is coming from. But a large weapons/fuel facility going up, with perhaps multiple strikes on different elements, could very easily cause secondary fires. This CNN article has before / after MAXAR satellite image side by side. Its the second image down the page. There is nothing on there specifically to give you scale, but it looks to me like it was a sizeable complex. Maxar / CNN pictureand the video at the top of the page very much gives the impression of their being two separate large fire some considerable distance apart.
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Post by registerme on Sept 18, 2024 21:29:36 GMT
6km squared of ammo dump? I assume we are talking the same thing: Toropets ? I don't know how large the actual ammo dump and fuel depot actually was (though I'd say it was more a complex than an ammo dump). I also don't know where you the 6km 2 figure is coming from. But a large weapons/fuel facility going up, with perhaps multiple strikes on different elements, could very easily cause secondary fires. This CNN article has before / after MAXAR satellite image side by side. Its the second image down the page. There is nothing on there specifically to give you scale, but it looks to me like it was a sizeable complex. Maxar / CNN pictureand the video at the top of the page very much gives the impression of their being two separate large fire some considerable distance apart. Take a look on Google maps and use the back of an envelope  .
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Post by captainconfident on Sept 18, 2024 22:52:09 GMT
There are claims online that this could be an important event, and this was actually months worth of ammunition going up, ten months, a year. Whatever, its a massive event and surely a setback, size of setback unknown.
Russia has not got unlimited resources, the mainstay MT-LB troop transporter has all but disappeared from the battlefield, the tube artillery parks are empty. This artillery dump explosion brings the end nearer. Russia has been burning through its equipment at an incredible rate and burning up its male population similarly because Putin cares about nothing but winning. But the means to win are pretty much exhausted.
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 19, 2024 7:35:37 GMT
I assume we are talking the same thing: Toropets ? I don't know how large the actual ammo dump and fuel depot actually was (though I'd say it was more a complex than an ammo dump). I also don't know where you the 6km 2 figure is coming from. But a large weapons/fuel facility going up, with perhaps multiple strikes on different elements, could very easily cause secondary fires. This CNN article has before / after MAXAR satellite image side by side. Its the second image down the page. There is nothing on there specifically to give you scale, but it looks to me like it was a sizeable complex. Maxar / CNN pictureand the video at the top of the page very much gives the impression of their being two separate large fire some considerable distance apart. Take a look on Google maps and use the back of an envelope . I may be missing your point. I thought you were deriding the idea that it was an ammunition depot because the fire was over 6km2 and that was way too big for an ammo dump. And therefore it must be something else. Now I'm not sure what it is you were actually saying.
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Post by registerme on Sept 19, 2024 8:02:22 GMT
Take a look on Google maps and use the back of an envelope . I may be missing your point. I thought you were deriding the idea that it was an ammunition depot because the fire was over 6km2 and that was way too big for an ammo dump. And therefore it must be something else. Now I'm not sure what it is you were actually saying. We've got our wires hopelessly crossed . I am more than confident that a) it was an ammo dump and b) it was huge, and that six square kilometers was a reasonable ballpark figure. I thought you were doubting it, hence my suggestion to take a look on Google maps and work it out .
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Post by adrianc on Sept 19, 2024 8:28:05 GMT
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Post by mostlywrong on Sept 19, 2024 10:06:49 GMT
Most of an ammo dump is, apparently, space. Either concrete or closely cut grass. If you keep lots of explosives in one place, they have to be spaced out in order to avoid sympathetic detonations should something go wrong. Maybe the Russians did not understand that.
The figure I saw for this Russian ammo dump was 3 miles long and 1 mile across which equates to 7.8 sq km.
For comparison, Wikipedia suggests that the largest ammunition site in the UK was built in Scotland to support the First World War.
The text says it was 14 km long but does not give a width! If one assumes 1 km width, that was 14 sq km. Huge.
Its replacement, Longtown, was 2500 acres which Dr Google tells me is 10 sq km which is fairly close to your figure.
Back to Wikipedia, and that tells me that Heathrow is 1227 ha which is 12 sq km, so this Russian ammo dump was roughly half the size of Heathrow.
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Post by captainconfident on Sept 19, 2024 14:27:20 GMT
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Post by registerme on Sept 20, 2024 12:08:01 GMT
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Post by angrysaveruk on Sept 20, 2024 16:10:03 GMT
None of this will make any difference to the war - Ukraine should be trying to enter negotiations. Lets hope the Russian Military do not decide to shut down the Ukrainian power grid this winter, sending the country into anarchy and causing a massive humanitarian/migrant crisis. As a very wise person once said- "When you are in a hole stop digging".
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Post by benaj on Sept 20, 2024 16:29:41 GMT
May be the bear need to recruit talents from the people of Star of David if they want to progress. Back in the July 2024, there was an interview by the Beeb with the General Ibrahim. The general claimed Netanyahu army was not ready to fight two fronts.
No one is stopping IDF's action on Gaza nor their air strike in Lebenon, they even striked Iran back in April. What's next if IDF won't be stopped?
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Post by ilmoro on Sept 20, 2024 17:11:29 GMT
None of this will make any difference to the war - Ukraine should be trying to enter negotiations. Lets hope the Russian Military do not decide to shut down the Ukrainian power grid this winter, sending the country into anarchy and causing a massive humanitarian/migrant crisis. As a very wise person once said- "When you are in a hole stop digging". Assuming of course the rumours arent correct & Ukraine havent just blown up alot of Russia's long range missile stocks. A lot of resource, 100 drones, for bullets, shells & mortar bombs.
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