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Post by bracknellboy on Feb 14, 2022 22:27:43 GMT
I reckon Putin is quite happy to keep those tanks pointing @ the Ukraine rather than the Kremlin. I'm sure he is. I'm equally sure that those on the Ukrainian side of the front line are very unhappy that they are pointing in their direction. The Russian armed services are formidable, both from a strategic point of view, but also simply on a European land and air capability basis. What those on the front line on the Ukrainian side are currently experiencing, I cant claim to feel, but I can imagine. Likewise the wider populace who may be anticipating becoming an 'urban resistance'. These are things that I suspect many of my generation had hoped we had seen the risk of having gone. Apparently not.
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Post by bracknellboy on Feb 14, 2022 22:36:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2022 23:08:23 GMT
I'm sorry, my recent link was accurate but inappropriate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2022 23:11:22 GMT
I'm sorry, my recent link was accurate but inappropriate. That is "enjoy" was absolutely not my intention. I think the whole thing is disgusting.
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Post by adrianc on Feb 15, 2022 8:13:21 GMT
I'm sorry, my recent link was accurate but inappropriate. That is "enjoy" was absolutely not my intention. I think the whole thing is disgusting. Don't worry, I read it in the spirit it was intended.
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Post by gramsky on Feb 15, 2022 9:46:58 GMT
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Post by tallsuk on Feb 15, 2022 9:55:45 GMT
He may have just made a fortune by shorting the markets and now holding long positions.
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Post by adrianc on Feb 15, 2022 10:08:44 GMT
Given that the Excuse are saying it's all over, I can only assume the attack is imminent.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Feb 15, 2022 12:28:30 GMT
Given that the Excuse are saying it's all over, I can only assume the attack is imminent. When do the Olympics finish? Now Putin's friendly with China I don't think he would spoil their games by starting a war until they are finished.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Feb 15, 2022 12:30:16 GMT
Good old Bellingcat offer us the mililtary radar tracking tool and numberplate tracker
this should allow you to watch individual Russian military vehicles, those fitted with radar, moving about. Enjoy
The links just come back Blank for me.
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Post by adrianc on Feb 15, 2022 12:33:29 GMT
Given that the Excuse are saying it's all over, I can only assume the attack is imminent. When do the Olympics finish? Now Putin's friendly with China I don't think he would spoil their games by starting a war until they are finished. Sunday. Links working from here.
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Post by michaelc on Feb 15, 2022 13:51:06 GMT
I'm sorry, my recent link was accurate but inappropriate. That is "enjoy" was absolutely not my intention. I think the whole thing is disgusting. Thank you for clarifying. I've removed my post.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2022 17:59:45 GMT
Good old Bellingcat offer us the mililtary radar tracking tool and numberplate tracker
this should allow you to watch individual Russian military vehicles, those fitted with radar, moving about. Enjoy
The links just come back Blank for me. Sorry I can't see any problem. Bellingcat is fascinating site which helps train us normal internet users to access research level journalism especially a lot of stuff that calls out dictators on their nonsense.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Feb 15, 2022 18:11:30 GMT
The links just come back Blank for me. Sorry I can't see any problem. Bellingcat is fascinating site which helps train us normal internet users to access research level journalism especially a lot of stuff that calls out dictators on their nonsense. I have used Bellingcat before, very interesting stuff usually, I just couldn't get to the tracking bit, putting the link directly into the address bar gets me to Bellingcat and I think I've found a link from there, but using it seems to be a bit above my pay grade. My computer seems to be running extremely slow which might be the problem.
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Post by michaelc on Feb 15, 2022 19:54:51 GMT
A rare amount of agreement between us but I agree with that in spades. Your coup comment is also not a million miles off. Indeed it may not even come from the top brass. The average sqaddie also has family and buddies in Ukraine. Would the US invade Canada? England invade Ireland (in recent times)? Australia invade New Zealand? I don't expect you to agree with the following though: Surely Putin is not going to risk it? If he pulls back he's immediately got some face saving from the fact he has consistently denied it will happen. He may be happy with some kind of security agreement that prevents continued Nato enlargement (whilst of course Nato technically continuing to allow any new country to join). Some kind of fudge. He will also have achieved intense wariness from both Nato and also the Ukranians who probably regret voting in their current and dangerous buffoon Zelensky. Unfortunately that is a view that starts from a point of assuming both rationality and that he is receiving advice that matches reality on the ground. People in his position have a habit of ending up distanced from both: surrounded by people who's primary function is to tell him what he wants to hear and to burnish his ego. So sadly I am far from convinced he is going to back down now. I would say at this point that is a low probability, esp. as to date he hasn't 'won' anything he could easily point to as a reason to back down. I also think it is very likely that western intelligence are getting input from someone or some people at very senior levels in Russia: I don't think their messaging is simply done on the basis of what is happening on the ground. Oh, and we will disagree that Zelensky is in anyway a meaningful cause of Putin's actions. If the roots lie anywhere, it goes back to the Ukrainian people making known their collective desire to turn westward rather than eastward by ousting Yanukovych in 2014. Seeing his effective puppet chucked out and realising that an independent democratic Ukraine would decide that its future lay with closer ties to Europe and free western institutions is the boil that Putin wants to lance. Do you still think there will be an invasion? The western press headlines were getting increasingly scary culminating yesterday with Sky I think it was running a headline something like "...bombs could drop on Ukraine in minutes if Putin gives the order...". Its also true that bombs could drop on London or New York in minutes IF Putin gave the order. Or indeed on Moscow if Biden gave the order... I don't know what is behind these ultra alarmist headlines - presumably just secret intel obtained by the Americans. I also don't know what the next step will be but I've always said an invasion unlikely and now I think increasingly so. The US in particular and the press in particular will have lost yet another notch of credibility over this. Putin is no Hitler thank God. If he was, he might have blown up the world by now. He is a shrewd operator, popular in russia (although less so recently) even though I despise some of his antics such as locking up opposite politicians and assassinating enemies abroad (a tactic not unique to russia of course) and I similarly despise some of the things the US and even the UK get up to such as torture (just look at the picture en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture_in_the_United_States#Torture_abroad)
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