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Post by michaelc on Feb 16, 2024 16:05:19 GMT
Congratulations to Vladimir Putin today, he finally murdered his man. Classic piece of reptile sub human dictatorship skill. Along with Adolph Hitler, who had to invade Poland because he was provoked, the name of Vladimir Putin has to be raised up as the world's coldest blooded killer. I feel greatly sorry for him as I would anyone I knew a bit about and heard about his suffering. Unfortunately I think his death will be in vein not least because I don't think he is hugely popular in Russia. He was more the west's favourite. I don't think he was against the war in Ukraine either - not sure about that.
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 16, 2024 18:02:11 GMT
Congratulations to Vladimir Putin today, he finally murdered his man. Classic piece of reptile sub human dictatorship skill. Along with Adolph Hitler, who had to invade Poland because he was provoked, the name of Vladimir Putin has to be raised up as the world's coldest blooded killer. I feel greatly sorry for him as I would anyone I knew a bit about and heard about his suffering. Unfortunately I think his death will be in vein not least because I don't think he is hugely popular in Russia. He was more the west's favourite. I don't think he was against the war in Ukraine either - not sure about that. I suspect it probably was in vein. Doubt we'll find out which they use. 😁
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Post by michaelc on Feb 16, 2024 18:47:50 GMT
I feel greatly sorry for him as I would anyone I knew a bit about and heard about his suffering. Unfortunately I think his death will be in vein not least because I don't think he is hugely popular in Russia. He was more the west's favourite. I don't think he was against the war in Ukraine either - not sure about that. I suspect it probably was in vein. Doubt we'll find out which they use. 😁 Not the best of threads to crack jokes whether about my spelling or otherwise !
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Feb 16, 2024 19:19:42 GMT
I suspect it probably was in vein. Doubt we'll find out which they use. 😁 Not the best of threads to crack jokes whether about my spelling or otherwise ! As obituary threads go I would suggest this one is not 'sacred land' In the last 10 posts Putin (not dead) has been mentioned 20+ times. Whereas Alexei Navalny who is I assume the deceased? has not been mentioned at all.
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Post by bracknellboy on Feb 16, 2024 19:34:24 GMT
I think Navalny was incredibly brave. However I have never really understood his returning to Russia from Germany after the poisoning: this was either incredibly brave, or was an act that also showed a considerable level of hubris (while still be brave). I always felt that, regardless, it was a huge mistake, and that he ultimately could be more effective outside Russia than inside. The publicity and world wide reaction to an inevitable first trial would be quickly forgotten, and once buried inside the gulags his ability to influence events would ultimately diminish.
Still, whichever interpretation, he certainly was still incredibly brave.
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Post by bracknellboy on Feb 16, 2024 19:37:41 GMT
talking of bravery:
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Post by travolta on Feb 16, 2024 20:17:11 GMT
I think Navalny was incredibly brave. However I have never really understood his returning to Russia from Germany after the poisoning: this was either incredibly brave, or was an act that also showed a considerable level of hubris (while still be brave). I always felt that, regardless, it was a huge mistake, and that he ultimately could be more effective outside Russia than inside. The publicity and world wide reaction to an inevitable first trial would be quickly forgotten, and once buried inside the gulags his ability to influence events would ultimately diminish. Still, whichever interpretation, he certainly was still incredibly brave. Havn't you noticed, Russians do not like to live outside Russia . Look at Solzhenitzen for example. They always go home in the end . Russia defines them.
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Post by michaelc on Feb 16, 2024 21:23:08 GMT
I think Navalny was incredibly brave. However I have never really understood his returning to Russia from Germany after the poisoning: this was either incredibly brave, or was an act that also showed a considerable level of hubris (while still be brave). I always felt that, regardless, it was a huge mistake, and that he ultimately could be more effective outside Russia than inside. The publicity and world wide reaction to an inevitable first trial would be quickly forgotten, and once buried inside the gulags his ability to influence events would ultimately diminish. Still, whichever interpretation, he certainly was still incredibly brave. Havn't you noticed, Russians do not like to live outside Russia . Look at Solzhenitzen for example. They always go home in the end . Russia defines them. Yes they are typically very nationalistic. Not like here where we increasingly have no identity
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Post by adrianc on Feb 17, 2024 9:27:34 GMT
Not all Russians go home. Litvinenko didn't. Berezovsky didn't. Skripal hasn't. Lebedev (x2) haven't... (yet?) Is being "nationalistic" a good thing? Seems to me that the UK became much more nationalistic around 2016, and that's not exactly working out well, is it?   |
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Post by travolta on Feb 17, 2024 11:27:39 GMT
Hear we go again ..........
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Post by rscal on Feb 17, 2024 11:55:39 GMT
Hear we go again .......... Hear, Hear. I actually voted to 'remain' but with a heavy heart. The 'other side' had marginally more votes. It's customary to accept the result. So please, adrianc (13 and a half) develop a thicker skin about those 'knocks' in life (Remember - no one gets out alive)
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Post by keitha on Feb 17, 2024 13:24:12 GMT
Auntie Beeb is pushing the lets get back in Europe, join customs union etc.
I voted out as I feared the way the EU is being driven we would end up with a federal United states of Europe, I felt that the EU had changed from a trading bloc towards becoming a political grouping and whilst I felt and still feel that the UK put more in than it got out, Ironically I now live in an area that voted out heavily despite getting large chunks of cash from the EU.
But I see large amounts of the EU funding "wasted" ie paying far more per mile to build a dual carriageway than it cost the UK Government to build motorway, the justification for the project was it would speed up journeys then the WG slap a 50 limit on most of it
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Post by agent69 on Feb 17, 2024 13:29:21 GMT
Auntie Beeb is pushing the lets get back in Europe, join customs union etc. I voted out as I feared the way the EU is being driven we would end up with a federal United states of Europe, I felt that the EU had changed from a trading bloc towards becoming a political grouping and whilst I felt and still feel that the UK put more in than it got out, Ironically I now live in an area that voted out heavily despite getting large chunks of cash from the EU.But I see large amounts of the EU funding "wasted" ie paying far more per mile to build a dual carriageway than it cost the UK Government to build motorway, the justification for the project was it would speed up journeys then the WG slap a 50 limit on most of it
Cornwall?
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Post by keitha on Feb 17, 2024 13:42:31 GMT
Welsh Valleys
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Post by michaelc on Feb 17, 2024 14:45:43 GMT
The result wasn't accepted. Had it been accepted like any other election, its likely the exit wouldn't have been so "hard" .
Its very sad that the UK of all countries _nearly_ didn't accept the result of a vote. I wonder what the next issue will be where those more powerful than us decide to override the result? A general election result ? Would they have tried it if Corbyn had somehow won ? Should they have tried it ? What about Farage? If he was ever a serious contender, would he suddenly face a barrage of court cases to prevent him standing or worse to try to annul the result of a general election?
Folk are too comfortable and have forgotten real hardship and war. Forgotten what democracy means. You win some and you [graciously] lose some.
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