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Post by bracknellboy on Feb 17, 2024 20:41:59 GMT
The result wasn't accepted. Had it been accepted like any other election, its likely the exit wouldn't have been so "hard" . ... That is a rather revisionist view of history, and IMHO turns history on its head. What is your evidence, or your logical reasoning for that statement ? A major part of continued "resistance" or perhaps resentment to Brexit amongst many is BECAUSE what was pursued was one of the hardest of all possible Brexits. Considerably harder than most of the main protagonists had pitched to the electorate during the campaign. And that was a result of May, a Remainer who felt she needed to get the Leave champions 'on side', drew a whole load of red lines before even entering negotiations. It pandered to that constituency, but those red lines were incompatible with a soft Brexit. And there was, in the eyes of "Remainers" simply no mandate for a 'hard' Brexit given that the vote was so close. Let alone that the vote was not for any specific terms and conditions or agreement for our leaving, or our forward relationship. On the bolded point. Well that of course would amount to a coup/insurrection, given it would be attempting to prevent the constitutional and legal transfer of power as enshrined in our democracy [oh for a written constitution]. Whereas the referendum was advisory only. Referendum's de facto have no constitutional meaning or significance in the UK. The referendum had to have enabling legislation, and Parliament in its wisdom chose to make it an advisory referendum i.e. a result that Parliament should consider/take into account but not required to act on. They could have chosen to make the outcome legally binding, but did not do so. So drawing a parallel between attempts to overturn a GE and the result of the referendum is simply false for those reasons. And regardless Parliament itself did not attempt to prevent the Govt acting on the outcome. They did argue that the Executive did not have the authority to advance the process without agreement from Parliament. Which is not exactly a bad thing to be ensuring in what is a Parliamentary democracy. Not sure who you think has forgotten what democracy means. I know that democracy in the UK, at a national level, means a representative democracy. We elect members of parliament to take decisions on our behalf. It enshrines the primacy of Parliament over the executive (for nearly all matters). It requires the executive to get approval from Parliament for all substantial matters (with the prior caveat). It embodies the concept of Parliament having both authority and responsibility to hold the executive to account. In the UK a referendum has no legal or constitutional standing other than that which it is given by the specific - Parliament approved - legislation which enabled it. Unlike in a direct democracy. That also is a matter of fact. Of course we all know that while the referendum posed a binary question, the outcome of one of the answers was always non-binary in nature: No Ts&Cs/future agreement/leaving conditions were actually being voted on, just a broad concept. And it was advisory, and the enabling legislation did not give carte blanche to the executive to proceed without Parliament's approval, Nor empower it to sign an agreement without Parliaments approval. On those grounds I would suggest that it is those that argue otherwise that have forgotten what democracy in the UK actually means. None of which is intended to say anything about the rights or wrongs of Brexit, or the Brexit we got. Just to point out the flaws in an argument which equates Parliament attempting to carry out its constitutionally settled role to a subversion of democracy.
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Post by jonno on Feb 21, 2024 10:36:53 GMT
Ewen Macintosh (aka Keith from The Office). Only 50 A brilliant, understated performer. Rest In Peace.
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 21, 2024 19:38:49 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Feb 21, 2024 20:16:08 GMT
I like the new logo. Better than the very dated old lion (which I never actually realised was dead). Unfortunately, it won't be going on the tins. They're staying unchanged.
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Post by ethel on Feb 21, 2024 20:35:40 GMT
I like the new logo. Better than the very dated old lion (which I never actually realised was dead). Unfortunately, it won't be going on the tins. They're staying unchanged. I like both logos, but I don't understand why they want to change the old one. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And, doesn't the fact that the old logo has been around for around 140 years count for anything?
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Post by travolta on Feb 21, 2024 20:41:21 GMT
Quote Samson. Judges 14 v14. Out of the strong came forth sweetness Always loved it . Not so mundane as most adblurb.
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 21, 2024 21:33:00 GMT
I like the new logo. Better than the very dated old lion (which I never actually realised was dead). Unfortunately, it won't be going on the tins. They're staying unchanged. Oh good, hope you're right, the tins is all I care about. I was going to rush out and bulk buy the treacle. I can take it easy now.
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Post by adrianc on Feb 21, 2024 21:40:50 GMT
I like the new logo. Better than the very dated old lion (which I never actually realised was dead). Unfortunately, it won't be going on the tins. They're staying unchanged. Oh good, hope you're right, the tins is all I care about. I was going to rush out and bulk buy the treacle. I can take it easy now. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68347249"But the classic Lyle's Golden Syrup tin will be excluded from the rebrand, keeping its more than 150-year-old packaging design."The red tin with the treacle? <shrug>
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Post by Bagman on Feb 29, 2024 10:31:56 GMT
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Post by bracknellboy on Feb 29, 2024 12:12:31 GMT
that is very sad. I knew he had cancer, and even recently insisted on filming. There was real bro-love between him and Si King. He'll be as broken as Myers own family.
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Post by mostlywrong on Mar 2, 2024 8:21:16 GMT
I was amused to find a recent obituary for a 90 year old gentleman that read "he died gardening in the February sunshine...".
February sunshine? On which planet was that? All I've had is rain!
MW
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Post by keitha on Mar 12, 2024 15:24:23 GMT
Highland Hunter
doing what he loved , will be very upsetting for one member of this forum
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Post by spareapennyor2 on Mar 12, 2024 17:34:44 GMT
Keagan Kirkby funeral last Tuesday we had Highland Hunter led the hearse through the village to the church was Keagan's favourite horse to ride out sad in so many ways thanks to every one a memorable day
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Post by keitha on Mar 17, 2024 22:03:09 GMT
Steve Harley
RIP, you made me and many others smile
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Post by captainconfident on Mar 18, 2024 10:48:20 GMT
Steve Harley RIP, you made me and many others smile 12 albums, 36 singles. It was a bit of an insult to Steve Harley's career that none of the thousands of the TV and radio stations who ran obituaries, knew of any songs by him except Make Me Smile.
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