mogish
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Post by mogish on Oct 17, 2022 14:46:11 GMT
Whilst not all RM staff are lazy , as other posters have pointed out Rm carry out the final stages if remote delivery. Hermes etc are mostly owner drivers paid by the drop. Private carriers will not deliver to Thurso for a quid.... the RM are a great network, unfortunately public sector trying to be privatised never really works as the mindset change us a major challenge. Hopefully they get their rise but cutting costs needs to go hand in hand.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2022 15:31:21 GMT
I'm sure they are not physically lazy.
But do they wake every morning thinking how to take RM to the next level. I suggest not.
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Post by keitha on Oct 17, 2022 16:46:39 GMT
I'm sure they are not physically lazy.
But do they wake every morning thinking how to take RM to the next level. I suggest not.
perhaps more importantly are they encouraged to make suggestions. I've worked in places where ideas from staff were encouraged and progressed, and others where if a "junior" person suggested it it would get poo poo'd but if the exact same idea came from either a senior manager or a person who spent most of their time sucking up to management it would be accepted.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Oct 17, 2022 17:06:36 GMT
I'm sure they are not physically lazy.
But do they wake every morning thinking how to take RM to the next level. I suggest not.
Many people work to get enough money to enjoy their leisure time, on here we are a bit of a selected group that were usually trying to improve ourselves and the companies we worked for. As I get older I wonder if I chose the wrong group!
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Post by adrianc on Oct 17, 2022 17:29:28 GMT
I'm sure they are not physically lazy.
But do they wake every morning thinking how to take RM to the next level. I suggest not.
I rather suspect the vast majority of mainstream staff in just about every larger company - regardless of industry, ownership, whatever - don't do that. In fact, the vast majority will almost certainly just rock up, do their job, go home - and not give it a second thought outside work hours. Posties, couriers, supermarkets, fast food, plumbers, whatever...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2022 20:23:35 GMT
I'm sure they are not physically lazy.
But do they wake every morning thinking how to take RM to the next level. I suggest not.
I rather suspect the vast majority of mainstream staff in just about every larger company - regardless of industry, ownership, whatever - don't do that. In fact, the vast majority will almost certainly just rock up, do their job, go home - and not give it a second thought outside work hours. Posties, couriers, supermarkets, fast food, plumbers, whatever... Having run businesses in Korea, China, Belgium, Bolton, Hull, Bingley. I can advise that the norm you describe is why UK businesses are so sub-productive. Brits loving doing sfa at work other countries have a work ethic. Brits can learn to work, it needs honesty between management and the workforce and a drive to succeed. It isn't easy, it's called work.
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Post by michaelc on Oct 17, 2022 21:20:10 GMT
I rather suspect the vast majority of mainstream staff in just about every larger company - regardless of industry, ownership, whatever - don't do that. In fact, the vast majority will almost certainly just rock up, do their job, go home - and not give it a second thought outside work hours. Posties, couriers, supermarkets, fast food, plumbers, whatever... Having run businesses in Korea, China, Belgium, Bolton, Hull, Bingley. I can advise that the norm you describe is why UK businesses are so sub-productive. Brits loving doing sfa at work other countries have a work ethic. Brits can learn to work, it needs honesty between management and the workforce and a drive to succeed. It isn't easy, it's called work. Was it spoons or door handles? I've forgotten...
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Post by mogish on Oct 18, 2022 11:38:07 GMT
No I agree , workers dont think how they will take the business to a new level , thats why they are workers , it managments job to lead , introduce better products or services and enhance customer service. Having just taken our lot at work through ISO 9001/14001 , neither frontline or management have taken any of it seriously or had any basic interest or understanding of the benefits. Quite disapointing . The frontline staff attitude I can understand , the managements( they requested this was done for tendering) lack of interest is inexcusable , how can the frontline staff think quality etc if the managment dont?
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Post by Greenwood2 on Oct 18, 2022 12:22:51 GMT
I rather suspect the vast majority of mainstream staff in just about every larger company - regardless of industry, ownership, whatever - don't do that. In fact, the vast majority will almost certainly just rock up, do their job, go home - and not give it a second thought outside work hours. Posties, couriers, supermarkets, fast food, plumbers, whatever... Having run businesses in Korea, China, Belgium, Bolton, Hull, Bingley. I can advise that the norm you describe is why UK businesses are so sub-productive. Brits loving doing sfa at work other countries have a work ethic. Brits can learn to work, it needs honesty between management and the workforce and a drive to succeed. It isn't easy, it's called work. I disagree I've worked in many jobs including shops and factories when I was young, and worked closely with labourers, workshop staff, office staff etc. Virtually everyone I worked with did their job well, but they didn't take it home. They weren't paid enough to spend their free time worrying about work and they mainly had other interests and hobbies; an allotment, a car they were 'doing up', even dabbling on the stock market, up north it was sometimes pigeons, or bowls. It doesn't mean they didn't work hard at work, that is just a cheap shot.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 13:53:01 GMT
Having turned around a number of businesses around by the shear simplicity of getting all the people to work, just within their normal hours but with their hands and their heads, hard, I don't think is a cheap shot. People love getting involved and if they use a bit of "their" time so what. In other countries it is easier because they understand what working for a company means. That culturally we have lost the work ethic, does not mean we cannot get it back again easily. You are right that requires management to lead but it also requires the rest of the workforce ("workers" is so 1920s) to contribute and lead. Saving a business is not down to just one group, but by all the employees.
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Post by mogish on Oct 18, 2022 14:16:24 GMT
Workers so 1920s.... I wouldn't know.maybe you were about then but I didnt appear in the world for another 50 years or so. Regardless, it's up to management to manage. Input should be encouraged but in my experience senior management dont tend to listen too much. Eventually work."force" give up. A lose lose situation for everyone.
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Post by travolta on Oct 18, 2022 15:30:07 GMT
I worked in my Dad's office during the week in the 70's . (Thorn Electrical industry) . Office Manager , Dad and I cleared the work everyday ,working by candlelight as the rest of the office staff left. Every other office work I have done at a similar level (quite a lot) was a complete doddle and from this wide experience I can assure you that 80% of Brit office work force do sweet F.All. HOWEVER Working 100% on the night shift at a waterbottling factory in Shrops. in 2000 was dammed hard work and everyone pitched in .
None of it compared to occupying 34 feral teenagers in Walthamstow, under the guise of 'education', on a Friday afternoon.
Postie has the life of riley, cruising the countryside , gossip ,cups of tea , picks up 4 bags of manure from my place every week .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 15:53:53 GMT
No I agree , workers dont think how they will take the business to a new level , thats why they are workers , it managments job to lead , introduce better products or services and enhance customer service. Having just taken our lot at work through ISO 9001/14001 , neither frontline or management have taken any of it seriously or had any basic interest or understanding of the benefits. Quite disapointing . The frontline staff attitude I can understand , the managements( they requested this was done for tendering) lack of interest is inexcusable , how can the frontline staff think quality etc if the managment dont? I agree with much of this, except I don't see a difference between workers and management. I've found that leaders come from both groups and they all can offer so much. That is the difference between a committed workforce and a bunch of lasy people just turning up to fillt their time in between 8 and 5.
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Post by jonno on Oct 18, 2022 16:17:01 GMT
No I agree , workers dont think how they will take the business to a new level , thats why they are workers , it managments job to lead , introduce better products or services and enhance customer service. Having just taken our lot at work through ISO 9001/14001 , neither frontline or management have taken any of it seriously or had any basic interest or understanding of the benefits. Quite disapointing . The frontline staff attitude I can understand , the managements( they requested this was done for tendering) lack of interest is inexcusable , how can the frontline staff think quality etc if the managment dont? I agree with much of this, except I don't see a difference between workers and management. I've found that leaders come from both groups and they all can offer so much. That is the difference between a committed workforce and a bunch of lasy people just turning up to fillt their time in between 8 and 5. Between 8!! and 5 Look here, I'm not workin' an extra hour for anyone.
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Post by bernythedolt on Oct 18, 2022 17:20:32 GMT
It's management's job to keep the workforce onside. They are paid to lead.
My wife worked for many years on and off for M&S. When she first started, in the '70s, they had their own hairdressers, dentists and chiropodists at the staff's disposal, plus a very heavily subsidised canteen (5p for a two course meal!). After the shop closed, they would sell off that day's food waste (stuff going out of date) to staff at half-price.
M&S jobs were well sought after and they could pick and choose the best calibre staff, who in turn were respected by customers for offering a great service. When you visited the store, it was easy to tell how much the staff loved their employer, and M&S was a thriving business.
Wind forward many years and management had gradually removed the perks one by one until only the half-price food waste remained when my wife rejoined the company. A couple of years later, even that final perk was removed. The staff by now were disgruntled and less motivated. Why would they remain as enthusiastic as before? My wife, who had loved working for the company, left and never went back. M&S is now closing dozens of stores.
A happy workforce works wonders for your company.
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