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Post by keitha on Oct 15, 2022 10:21:50 GMT
Talking to mine today the workers are fuming at management
They can afford big rises for management but not staff (yes I can see that giving 1000 people £10K is cheaper than giving 20,000 people £2.5k)
Management announced job cuts yesterday, in part due to losses caused by the strikes, that intrigues me as I don't know anyone who is sending less post due to industrial action.
At one time the postie got a bonus for delivering leaflets, and it was a per leaflet amount, now it is a fixed weekly figure.
management are saying that letters are now a minor part of the business and that parcels are the main, from what I'm told management want the staff to go self-employed on a basis similar the Hermes etc, ie a per parcel payment, but they want them to deliver the letters at the same time for free.
if this is true and I have no reason to doubt it, then management are stupid and will ruin the service.
and the renaming of Royal Mail to International Distributions Services is a joke, the implication is its main focus is international distributions not providing a UK service. for me Distributions services is nonsense distribution service, distributions service, or distribution services all are much easier to read and understand.
I would put money on this being another consignia.
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Post by bernythedolt on Oct 15, 2022 11:14:03 GMT
It must take a special kind of ****wit to substitute the marvellous, nearly 400 year old, cachet "Royal" in your business with some anodyne phrase "International <some cobblers I've already forgotten whilst writing this post>".
Good luck to the poor signwriters charged with trying to fit the Welsh equivalent of that little lot on the side of the red vans here, which currently read Post Brenhinol.
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Post by ilmoro on Oct 15, 2022 11:42:53 GMT
It must take a special kind of ****wit to substitute the marvellous, nearly 400 year old, cachet "Royal" in your business with some anodyne phrase "International <some cobblers I've already forgotten whilst writing this post>". Good luck to the poor signwriters charged with trying to fit the Welsh equivalent of that little lot on the side of the red vans here, which currently read Post Brenhinol. They havent & they likely wont ... the UK business remains Royal Mail, operating as RM, PF & GLS
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Post by bernythedolt on Oct 15, 2022 12:57:16 GMT
It must take a special kind of ****wit to substitute the marvellous, nearly 400 year old, cachet "Royal" in your business with some anodyne phrase "International <some cobblers I've already forgotten whilst writing this post>". Good luck to the poor signwriters charged with trying to fit the Welsh equivalent of that little lot on the side of the red vans here, which currently read Post Brenhinol. They havent & they likely wont ... the UK business remains Royal Mail, operating as RM, PF & GLS I've obviously misunderstood something then, but it wouldn't be a first! I was going with <deleted link to potentially infected website>.
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Post by ilmoro on Oct 15, 2022 13:13:00 GMT
They havent & they likely wont ... the UK business remains Royal Mail, operating as RM, PF & GLS I've obviously misunderstood something then, but it wouldn't be a first! I was going with this. The listed business, which is the holding/parent company, has changed, but the operating business will remain as Royal Mail. Same as British Airways which became IAG when it merged with Iberia in 2011 but both airlines continue to operate under the normal names
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Post by Greenwood2 on Oct 15, 2022 13:32:21 GMT
Talking to mine today the workers are fuming at management They can afford big rises for management but not staff (yes I can see that giving 1000 people £10K is cheaper than giving 20,000 people £2.5k) Management announced job cuts yesterday, in part due to losses caused by the strikes, that intrigues me as I don't know anyone who is sending less post due to industrial action.At one time the postie got a bonus for delivering leaflets, and it was a per leaflet amount, now it is a fixed weekly figure. management are saying that letters are now a minor part of the business and that parcels are the main, from what I'm told management want the staff to go self-employed on a basis similar the Hermes etc, ie a per parcel payment, but they want them to deliver the letters at the same time for free. if this is true and I have no reason to doubt it, then management are stupid and will ruin the service. and the renaming of Royal Mail to International Distributions Services is a joke, the implication is its main focus is international distributions not providing a UK service. for me Distributions services is nonsense distribution service, distributions service, or distribution services all are much easier to read and understand. I would put money on this being another consignia. It will be the companies sending parcels switching to alternative delivery firms rather than have their customers parcels delayed.
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Post by michaelc on Oct 15, 2022 13:40:53 GMT
I've obviously misunderstood something then, but it wouldn't be a first! I was going with this. The listed business, which is the holding/parent company, has changed, but the operating business will remain as Royal Mail. Same as British Airways which became IAG when it merged with Iberia in 2011 but both airlines continue to operate under the normal names And both companies have lost their huge marketing potential. BA becoming just another Ryanair when it should IMO remained a premium airline. I'm sure there is a market for not being treated like shite when you fly.
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Post by ilmoro on Oct 15, 2022 14:12:55 GMT
Talking to mine today the workers are fuming at management They can afford big rises for management but not staff (yes I can see that giving 1000 people £10K is cheaper than giving 20,000 people £2.5k) Management announced job cuts yesterday, in part due to losses caused by the strikes, that intrigues me as I don't know anyone who is sending less post due to industrial action.At one time the postie got a bonus for delivering leaflets, and it was a per leaflet amount, now it is a fixed weekly figure. management are saying that letters are now a minor part of the business and that parcels are the main, from what I'm told management want the staff to go self-employed on a basis similar the Hermes etc, ie a per parcel payment, but they want them to deliver the letters at the same time for free. if this is true and I have no reason to doubt it, then management are stupid and will ruin the service. and the renaming of Royal Mail to International Distributions Services is a joke, the implication is its main focus is international distributions not providing a UK service. for me Distributions services is nonsense distribution service, distributions service, or distribution services all are much easier to read and understand. I would put money on this being another consignia. It will be the companies sending parcels switching to alternative delivery firms rather than have their customers parcels delayed. And the cost of dealing with the backlog
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 15, 2022 14:22:17 GMT
The listed business, which is the holding/parent company, has changed, but the operating business will remain as Royal Mail. Same as British Airways which became IAG when it merged with Iberia in 2011 but both airlines continue to operate under the normal names And both companies have lost their huge marketing potential.BA becoming just another Ryanair when it should IMO remained a premium airline. I'm sure there is a market for not being treated like shite when you fly. BA didn't lose its marketing potential because of a name change. Your everyman still knows them as BA and has never heard of IAG, and they trade and therefore market as BA. They lost their edge because of a conscious decision to move more towards low cost model AND more avoidably because of a number of monumental corporate cock-ups, not least the ongoing shambles of their critical business supporting IT systems. I think the latter may be not unrelated to decisions to outsource. While we might bemoan BAs performance, I think it's a bit presumptive of any of us to think they took a wrong direction per se. They have been plenty of other non-budget 'premium' carriers (esp. state owned) that have collapsed under the weight of contradiction of legacy wage structures/manning etc. and cut throat competition from the low cost. Some have collapsed after absorbing $$bns of their respective tax payers money.
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Post by michaelc on Oct 15, 2022 14:57:04 GMT
And both companies have lost their huge marketing potential.BA becoming just another Ryanair when it should IMO remained a premium airline. I'm sure there is a market for not being treated like shite when you fly. BA didn't lose its marketing potential because of a name change. Your everyman still knows them as BA and has never heard of IAG, and they trade and therefore market as BA. They lost their edge because of a conscious decision to move more towards low cost model AND more avoidably because of a number of monumental corporate cock-ups, not least the ongoing shambles of their critical business supporting IT systems. I think the latter may be not unrelated to decisions to outsource. While we might bemoan BAs performance, I think it's a bit presumptive of any of us to think they took a wrong direction per se. They have been plenty of other non-budget 'premium' carriers (esp. state owned) that have collapsed under the weight of contradiction of legacy wage structures/manning etc. and cut throat competition from the low cost. Some have collapsed after absorbing $$bns of their respective tax payers money. What I did say is very similar to what you wrote. You said "low cost model" - I said "Ryanair". There is/was a clear divergence of brand with product thus BA losing the marketing potential of British Airways. I don't know which "premium" carriers you are talking about. I went business on Lufthanse not that long ago and found their service not amazing - definitely worse than BA economy 30 years ago when air travel was fun and the journey took longer than the airport queueing.
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 15, 2022 15:05:33 GMT
BA didn't lose its marketing potential because of a name change. Your everyman still knows them as BA and has never heard of IAG, and they trade and therefore market as BA. They lost their edge because of a conscious decision to move more towards low cost model AND more avoidably because of a number of monumental corporate cock-ups, not least the ongoing shambles of their critical business supporting IT systems. I think the latter may be not unrelated to decisions to outsource. While we might bemoan BAs performance, I think it's a bit presumptive of any of us to think they took a wrong direction per se. They have been plenty of other non-budget 'premium' carriers (esp. state owned) that have collapsed under the weight of contradiction of legacy wage structures/manning etc. and cut throat competition from the low cost. Some have collapsed after absorbing $$bns of their respective tax payers money. What I did say is very similar to what you wrote. You said "low cost model" - I said "Ryanair". There is/was a clear divergence of brand with product thus BA losing the marketing potential of British Airways. I don't know which "premium" carriers you are talking about. I went business on Lufthanse not that long ago and found their service not amazing - definitely worse than BA economy 30 years ago when air travel was fun and the journey took longer than the airport queueing. You appeared to be linking their name change to 'loss of marketing potential'. I don't see the two as being related for the reason they have not changed their trading name. It appears you were making a separate point which was not clear from my reading. That is all.
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Post by keitha on Oct 15, 2022 15:10:54 GMT
They havent & they likely wont ... the UK business remains Royal Mail, operating as RM, PF & GLS I've obviously misunderstood something then, but it wouldn't be a first! I was going with this. Berny when I click on that link it says there are trojans on the website
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Post by agent69 on Oct 15, 2022 15:25:24 GMT
The listed business, which is the holding/parent company, has changed, but the operating business will remain as Royal Mail. Same as British Airways which became IAG when it merged with Iberia in 2011 but both airlines continue to operate under the normal names And both companies have lost their huge marketing potential. BA becoming just another Ryanair when it should IMO remained a premium airline. I'm sure there is a market for not being treated like shite when you fly. You obviously haven't looked at any of their long haul business class prices recently!
Whatever you say about the decline of the BA experience (I know some who yearn for the good old days when the roast of the day was carved at your table) prior to covid they were a very sucessful business. Unfortunately, they carry all the baggage of a legacy carrier that the likes of Ryanair, Easy Jet and Virgin don't have to contend with. It's a matter of fact that all western airlines rank some way below the industry leaders such as Qatar, Emirates and Singapore.
I have gold status with BA but use QR for long haul where available for the enhanced service.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2022 15:52:33 GMT
Surely the fact that Hermes (or its latest name) even exists shows that the Post Office, staff and management are lazy, useless and inept. Asleep at the wheel and living in the dark ages. If they cannot get a grip they need to close it.
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