keitha
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Post by keitha on Jan 8, 2024 15:14:16 GMT
In one of the weekend Times newspapers there was an article about the very high cost of insuring E cars because of a shortage of knowledgeable mechanics able to carry out repairs and the cost of new batteries.
(There was also an article suggesting that the cost of installing a heat pump in a house like mine would be £20K, as re-piping would be necessary. How many people can afford to "go green"?)
repiping usually only necessary if it's micro bore piping. I have an early 1900's solid stone terraced property, External Wall Insulation is pretty much a no as you are looking at around 150 sq metres of it at £100 a square metre. however I have my boiler running at a flow temperature of around 52 Celsius, since 1/11 my average run time is 5 and a half hours and just under 37 kWh of gas a day. Basically this means a heat pump with a 5kWh output would be more than enough. my boiler is modulating down to about 7kWh I do intend to replace a couple of the radiators with bigger ones. on 6 days in the last 2 years my boiler has run for more than 11 hours people need to realise heat pump systems work better running long and slow rather than really hot for an hour a couple of times a day. if I had a heat pump I would aim it at the average winter day and if necessary use supplementary heaters on the few very cold days rather than have an oversized pump that short cycles most of the time.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 8, 2024 15:18:17 GMT
people need to realise heat pump systems work better running long and slow rather than really hot for an hour a couple of times a day. Old houses with thick stone walls are great for this, as there's so much thermal mass. If we keep this place warm, it needs little heat input. If we let it get cold, it takes forever to get the chill off again.
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Post by overthehill on Jan 8, 2024 15:39:55 GMT
In one of the weekend Times newspapers there was an article about the very high cost of insuring E cars because of a shortage of knowledgeable mechanics able to carry out repairs and the cost of new batteries.
(There was also an article suggesting that the cost of installing a heat pump in a house like mine would be £20K, as re-piping would be necessary. How many people can afford to "go green"?)
Isn't the government just another sales organization trying to sell mediocre, uncompetitive and overpriced products. I don't follow heat pumps but I was reading a short article a few days ago that said the biggest problem with heat pumps has been achieving a water flow temperature of > 50deg and the newer pumps can now achieve that. 50deg is adequate out of a tap but not for heating a house in the winter, my boiler goes up to 80deg flow temperature.
Do heat pumps have to use a hot water tank or can they heat the water instantaneously like a combi ?
Same problem with the old smart meters which now need all replaced again. Not sure if people feel like they've had the double glazing pitch with the older solar panels or not, where's bobo ?
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keitha
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Post by keitha on Jan 8, 2024 16:20:54 GMT
In one of the weekend Times newspapers there was an article about the very high cost of insuring E cars because of a shortage of knowledgeable mechanics able to carry out repairs and the cost of new batteries.
(There was also an article suggesting that the cost of installing a heat pump in a house like mine would be £20K, as re-piping would be necessary. How many people can afford to "go green"?)
Isn't the government just another sales organization trying to sell mediocre, uncompetitive and overpriced products. I don't follow heat pumps but I was reading a short article a few days ago that said the biggest problem with heat pumps has been achieving a water flow temperature of > 50deg and the newer pumps can now achieve that. 50deg is adequate out of a tap but not for heating a house in the winter, my boiler goes up to 80deg flow temperature.
Do heat pumps have to use a hot water tank or can they heat the water instantaneously like a combi ?
Same problem with the old smart meters which now need all replaced again. Not sure if people feel like they've had the double glazing pitch with the older solar panels or not, where's bobo ?
you don't need a flow temperature of 80 indeed running at that, the return will be over 50 which means the boiler won't condense so will be inefficient. my house heats perfectly adequately at 50. most people with a heat pump have a hot water tank ( yes i know we all ripped them out to have combi boilers fitted)
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Post by michaelc on Jan 8, 2024 21:21:40 GMT
Who would you trust then? British Gas? 
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Post by adrianc on Jan 8, 2024 22:23:18 GMT
Who would you trust then? British Gas? One that didn't need to sell by price alone, because he had a good local rep.
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Post by michaelc on Jan 8, 2024 22:26:14 GMT
Who would you trust then? British Gas? One that didn't need to sell by price alone, because he had a good local rep. But surely it leaks or it doesn't? Paying for your "good" local independent who charges more might give you a good chat and feel good factor during the installation but in what way would it be a better job than a.n. other GasSafe engineer?
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Post by overthehill on Jan 9, 2024 11:44:22 GMT
In one of the weekend Times newspapers there was an article about the very high cost of insuring E cars because of a shortage of knowledgeable mechanics able to carry out repairs and the cost of new batteries.
(There was also an article suggesting that the cost of installing a heat pump in a house like mine would be £20K, as re-piping would be necessary. How many people can afford to "go green"?)
Isn't the government just another sales organization trying to sell mediocre, uncompetitive and overpriced products. I don't follow heat pumps but I was reading a short article a few days ago that said the biggest problem with heat pumps has been achieving a water flow temperature of > 50deg and the newer pumps can now achieve that. 50deg is adequate out of a tap but not for heating a house in the winter, my boiler goes up to 80deg flow temperature.
Do heat pumps have to use a hot water tank or can they heat the water instantaneously like a combi ?
Same problem with the old smart meters which now need all replaced again. Not sure if people feel like they've had the double glazing pitch with the older solar panels or not, where's bobo ?
The government is basically setting goals and ultimatums for utilities companies to roll out smart meters. This is what the octopus account states in their smart meter advertisement which constantly gets thrown at your face. I guess the the advertising standards authority doesn't have an issue !
Smart customers pay less
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Post by adrianc on Jan 9, 2024 12:17:54 GMT
The government is basically setting goals and ultimatums for utilities companies to roll out smart meters. This is what the octopus account states in their smart meter advertisement which constatntly gets thrown at your face. I guess the the advertising standards authority doesn't have an issue !
Smart customers pay less
Save on your bills with our smart tariffs by using energy when it’s cheaper and greener
Earn money back on your bills by taking part in our smart trials
Cut your energy use with our energy insights – from spotting energy-guzzling devices to changing costly habits"octopus.energy/blog/smart-meters-save-money/Are those bullets somehow misleading or inaccurate, then?
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Post by jonno on Jan 9, 2024 12:33:41 GMT
The government is basically setting goals and ultimatums for utilities companies to roll out smart meters. This is what the octopus account states in their smart meter advertisement which constatntly gets thrown at your face. I guess the the advertising standards authority doesn't have an issue !
Smart customers pay less
Save on your bills with our smart tariffs by using energy when it’s cheaper and greener
Earn money back on your bills by taking part in our smart trials
Cut your energy use with our energy insights – from spotting energy-guzzling devices to changing costly habits"octopus.energy/blog/smart-meters-save-money/Are those bullets somehow misleading or inaccurate, then? No, but they are incomplete. There should be another one which says "Don't assume that because you've had a Smart Meter fitted, it will actually work" I had mine fitted 16 months ago by EDF and the gas side has never worked. Had a phone call this morning to arrange fourth engineer visit
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Post by adrianc on Jan 9, 2024 12:38:55 GMT
"Smart meters not only make it super easy to manage your energy – they can also help you cut your bills. Here’s how our smart meters can help save you money:
Save on your bills with our smart tariffs by using energy when it’s cheaper and greener
Earn money back on your bills by taking part in our smart trials
Cut your energy use with our energy insights – from spotting energy-guzzling devices to changing costly habits"octopus.energy/blog/smart-meters-save-money/Are those bullets somehow misleading or inaccurate, then? No There's your ASA complaint rejected, then. If they start banning "incomplete" ads, there will be no more ads. At all. Or, if there are any, they'll be so unreadable through the myriad of disclaimers and detail that they might as well give up. I mean, that doesn't sound like a bad thing, really, but you might well find a lot of media going bankrupt or getting a lot more expensive in short order...But... www.asa.org.uk/rulings/smart-metering-communications-body-ltd-a18-457472.html
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Post by jonno on Jan 9, 2024 12:49:48 GMT
There's your ASA complaint rejected, then. If they start banning "incomplete" ads, there will be no more ads. At all. Or, if there are any, they'll be so unreadable through the myriad of disclaimers and detail that they might as well give up. I mean, that doesn't sound like a bad thing, really, but you might well find a lot of media going bankrupt or getting a lot more expensive in short order...But... www.asa.org.uk/rulings/smart-metering-communications-body-ltd-a18-457472.htmlAah,sorry; I wasn't looking at it from an ASA complaint perspective, but rather merely being honest and upfront with people. What a naive, silly Billy I am 
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Post by adrianc on Jan 9, 2024 12:54:45 GMT
There's your ASA complaint rejected, then. If they start banning "incomplete" ads, there will be no more ads. At all. Or, if there are any, they'll be so unreadable through the myriad of disclaimers and detail that they might as well give up. I mean, that doesn't sound like a bad thing, really, but you might well find a lot of media going bankrupt or getting a lot more expensive in short order...But... www.asa.org.uk/rulings/smart-metering-communications-body-ltd-a18-457472.htmlAah,sorry; I wasn't looking at it from an ASA complaint perspective, but rather merely being honest and upfront with people. What a naive, silly Billy I am Is the concept of advertising new to you?
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Post by jonno on Jan 9, 2024 13:04:01 GMT
Aah,sorry; I wasn't looking at it from an ASA complaint perspective, but rather merely being honest and upfront with people. What a naive, silly Billy I am Is the concept of advertising new to you? Aah your usual childish deflection tactic  You were not referring to advertising "in general" but specifically to the great claims of Smart meters which were neither misleading nor inaccurate. I was merely pointing out that this was not the case.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 9, 2024 13:13:08 GMT
"Smart meters not only make it super easy to manage your energy – they can also help you cut your bills. Here’s how our smart meters can help save you money:
Save on your bills with our smart tariffs by using energy when it’s cheaper and greener
Earn money back on your bills by taking part in our smart trials
Cut your energy use with our energy insights – from spotting energy-guzzling devices to changing costly habits"octopus.energy/blog/smart-meters-save-money/Are those bullets somehow misleading or inaccurate, then? No, but they are incomplete. There should be another one which says "Don't assume that because you've had a Smart Meter fitted, it will actually work" I had mine fitted 16 months ago by EDF and the gas side has never worked. Had a phone call this morning to arrange fourth engineer visit Interesting. Is that meaning that the gas meter smart capability doesn't work - you are having to send manual readings - or simply that it is not sending data to the IHD ?
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