agent69
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Post by agent69 on Oct 1, 2024 16:41:18 GMT
Iran is a boil that should have been lanced a long time ago.
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Post by agent69 on Oct 1, 2024 17:00:03 GMT
I'm on holiday in Thailand, where it's approaching midnight. I was going to have an early night, but I see on the news feeds that Iran has launched missiles towards Israel. A non-nuclear state attacking a nuclear one, isn't that madness?. I hope that however many missiles Iran launches, Israel sends the same number the other way.
I have a funny feeling that Israel's defences will be a bit better than Iran's.
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michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Oct 1, 2024 19:49:36 GMT
What is the reason for this even more special relationship? Is it to do with lots of Israelis living in the US ? The Jewish lobby in USA is very rich and very influential That's a trope isn't it ?
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 1, 2024 20:06:48 GMT
The Jewish lobby in USA is very rich and very influential That's a trope isn't it ? yes and no. I don't think I'd personally be comfortable with the "very rich" bit coupled with "very influential". That is kind of a trope. It is fair to say that they are an influential group and always have been. But they do seem to be only about 2.5% of the population. And they certainly aren't a single cohort when it comes to voting. So it seems they have an influence that is greater than one might expect from their population share. Mr G. tells me though that 94% of the Jewish population live in 13 key electoral college states. So maybe part of their apparent outsize influence comes from their geographic spread.
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Post by benaj on Oct 1, 2024 20:25:43 GMT
Funny thing is, the US has made interesting choices with countries in the past.
Iran and the US were friends before the Islamic revolution. Then US supported Saddam Hussein to Invade Iran.
After 911, what happened to Iraq?
Will one day the US will repeat the same fate to their friends living in the promised land?
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Post by angrysaveruk on Oct 1, 2024 22:39:44 GMT
The MSM seem to be saying the Iranian attack was ineffective, I am not a military expert but from the footage I have seen it looks quite a few Iranian Missiles got through. I saw one video where a whole barrage of missiles seemed hit the ground with one or two intercepted. Hopefully no one was killed and this will not lead to a regional war - but I am not hopeful.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Oct 2, 2024 6:35:05 GMT
The MSM seem to be saying the Iranian attack was ineffective, I am not a military expert but from the footage I have seen it looks quite a few Iranian Missiles got through. I saw one video where a whole barrage of missiles seemed hit the ground with one or two intercepted. Hopefully no one was killed and this will not lead to a regional war - but I am not hopeful. Iron Dome is a sophisticated system ... it only intercepts missiles that will hit something so some of the explosions will be missiles allowed to get through. Media reports are of 1 Palestinian dead in the West Bank and hits on a school & restaurant in Tel-Aviv. 3 injured in Jordan by debris (they were shooting them down along with the US) Im sure the full analysis of the effectiveness will emerge over time
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 2, 2024 7:11:42 GMT
The MSM seem to be saying the Iranian attack was ineffective, I am not a military expert but from the footage I have seen it looks quite a few Iranian Missiles got through. I saw one video where a whole barrage of missiles seemed hit the ground with one or two intercepted. Hopefully no one was killed and this will not lead to a regional war - but I am not hopeful. The answer probably lies in the word "effects". Explosive delivered to patch of barren ground /= intended effect In fact it is a demonstration of impotency/ineffectiveness I also am not hopeful. Although the apparent decapitation + knee capping of Hezbollah is a major blow to Iran's ability to respond without bringing significant retaliation directly on itself. That may by necessity stay its hand. It likely also sees it as a significant blow to its influence. It may also accelerate a decision for it to take the final step to "go nuclear" (in terms of arming). Indeed my fear is that Bibi actually wants to escalate and force Iran to take the final step to assembling nukes in order to have an excuse to launch the mother of all raids on its nuclear program and facilities with US cover. I do also have some hopes for other outcomes though.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Oct 2, 2024 7:23:19 GMT
The MSM seem to be saying the Iranian attack was ineffective, I am not a military expert but from the footage I have seen it looks quite a few Iranian Missiles got through. I saw one video where a whole barrage of missiles seemed hit the ground with one or two intercepted. Hopefully no one was killed and this will not lead to a regional war - but I am not hopeful. Iron Dome is a sophisticated system ... it only intercepts missiles that will hit something so some of the explosions will be missiles allowed to get through. Media reports are of 1 Palestinian dead in the West Bank and hits on a school & restaurant in Tel-Aviv. 3 injured in Jordan by debris (they were shooting them down along with the US) Im sure the full analysis of the effectiveness will emerge over time I have also heard this argument that Iron Dome can detect where the missiles are going to land however in the barrage I saw which was right next to a busy road in what looked like a built up area 2 of the what looked liked 20 missiles were shot down and they all landed in approximately the same area. I am doubtful about the reports the Iron Dome actually stopped these missiles effectively, and you cannot expect Israel to admit they find it difficult to stop the Iranian missiles strikes.
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Post by registerme on Oct 2, 2024 7:53:56 GMT
Then again you doubt anything that disagrees with your own narrative {shrug}.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 2, 2024 8:10:13 GMT
Then again you doubt anything that disagrees with your own narrative {shrug}. (carefully culled from selective reports in sources with zero requirement for balanced reporting) Iran and Russia, of course, are good buddies, with links over military technology - especially with Iranian supply of drones for use in Ukraine, and Russian supply to Iran of other military hardware.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Oct 2, 2024 8:13:09 GMT
Then again you doubt anything that disagrees with your own narrative {shrug}. It is called thinking for yourself which is something you might not have alot of experience of...
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Post by adrianc on Oct 2, 2024 8:30:05 GMT
"I do my own research"...
Yeh, like all those 'vid vacc deniers and climate change deniers and Q believers and...
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Post by baboonery on Oct 2, 2024 8:30:20 GMT
Then again you doubt anything that disagrees with your own narrative {shrug}. which is something you might not have alot of experience of... Other possible definitions spring to mind including ‘tunnel vision’ and ‘obsessive’.
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 2, 2024 8:53:21 GMT
Then again you doubt anything that disagrees with your own narrative {shrug}. It is called thinking for yourself which is something you might not have alot of experience of... "thinking for yourself" would include critical analysis. And critical analysis in this case would include recognising that there are a ton of international reporters all over Israel, that Israel is a free country without e.g. restrictions on the internet, and has a free press. If the Israeli official line didn't tally with reality on the ground (pun not actually intended but...) then you'd very very quickly be hearing about it. From multiple sources. Allowing for cross verification. Of course, if there were strikes on remote military installations, then you may not hear about it. Certainly not so quickly. But you likely would hear about in relatively quick time. Its a small country.
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