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Post by registerme on Jan 8, 2024 12:37:41 GMT
Assuming that the TV series portrayed things accurately it's utterly absurd that Fujitsu staff had write access to customer data, with no change control and no audit processes in place.
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Post by keitha on Jan 8, 2024 12:39:29 GMT
What I didn't understand is that Horizon seems to have been an old fashioned mainframe with wired terminals. So information travelled from the terminals to Bracknell. So it is self evidence that remote access is possible in the other direction. It also seems that transaction details could not be accessed from the terminals so that the remote operator could not analyse their own input and find the source of shortfalls. Was that really the case? Did the malfunctions ever result in whatever the opposite of a shortfall is on the sub- post office accounts? s an IT bod yes, but what happened is that expert witnesses from Post Office and Fujitsu told the courts it couldn't happen, ie they committed perjury. I think they lawyers need to be investigated as the tone of some of their notes saying "we ae shutting down the claims etc" are frankly horrific The Post Office must also lose the right to start legal action it must go through the same system as other cases, how can it be right that the "Victim" also acts as prosecutor
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Post by keitha on Jan 8, 2024 12:41:59 GMT
Assuming that the TV series portrayed things accurately it's utterly absurd that Fujitsu staff had write access to customer data, with no change control and no audit processes in place. I'd guess that could happen with many systems, if IT staff do things in the back end of the system, as they are not using the system they are using database tools etc.
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Post by registerme on Jan 8, 2024 12:44:02 GMT
Assuming that the TV series portrayed things accurately it's utterly absurd that Fujitsu staff had write access to customer data, with no change control and no audit processes in place. I'd guess that could happen with many systems, if IT staff do things in the back end of the system, as they are not using the system they are using database tools etc. Back when I worked in banking access to production data in a live system required break glass accounts and one time admin accounts, that all necessitated change control tickets and (typically) director level sign off. There would have been an audit trail all the way.
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Post by overthehill on Jan 8, 2024 15:29:35 GMT
Assuming that the TV series portrayed things accurately it's utterly absurd that Fujitsu staff had write access to customer data, with no change control and no audit processes in place. I'd guess that could happen with many systems, if IT staff do things in the back end of the system, as they are not using the system they are using database tools etc.
True, I would know.
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Post by merlin99 on Jan 8, 2024 17:21:33 GMT
There is one element in this whole debacle that is not clearly visible and that is that Fujitsu needed this project to be a highly visible success. This was in order to stabilise its inherited ICL installed base which was melting away rapidly to the competition. Fujitsu were desperate to stop this happening and was prepared to do almost anything to retard these losses.
I seem to remember that the price bid by Fujitsu to do the Post Office job was rumoured to have been way below that of its competitors. The consequence of this was the project ended up seriously underfunded and the developers started to cut corners. This was clearly seen in the systems testing area and the final result was a system that was launched prematurely without adequate testing still full of undiscovered bugs. Unfortunately it was the prime users - the Sub-Postmasters who paid the price.
PS I have been reminded by one of the members of my then team that when we were carrying out assessment of the requirements of the proposed project, Nixdorf were already midway through running a pilot project using their proprietary banking hardware and modified software in Post offices located in the Thames Valley. I cannot remember how that trial went as before it completed we had withdrawn. Shortly after that I seem to remember Nixdorf got into financial difficulties and was then taken over by Siemens. So to be fair to ICL/Fujitsu it looks as though they were left to pick up a problem child.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 8, 2024 19:53:08 GMT
I'm less than 10 minutes into the first episode, and I'm already feeling EDIT: How difficult a watch is this going to be ?
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Post by registerme on Jan 9, 2024 6:33:15 GMT
I'm less than 10 minutes into the first episode, and I'm already feeling EDIT: How difficult a watch is this going to be ? I watched all episodes in one sitting. I spent most of that time some combination of furious / upset / outraged. It was worth every minute.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 9, 2024 9:34:34 GMT
I'm less than 10 minutes into the first episode, and I'm already feeling EDIT: How difficult a watch is this going to be ? I watched all episodes in one sitting. I spent most of that time some combination of furious / upset / outraged. It was worth every minute. I stuck with it last night and did it in one sitting as well. I expected the outrage, I wasn'tquite expecting so much of the being upset, which caught me a bit off guard at the start. Assuming it is near totally materially accurate on everything it did cover - I've yet to hear anyone saying it isn't - it's pretty damning. Although it's a docudrama you would think the main players would have insisted on keeping it very accurate, as would have ITV lawyers. Excellently made, and the power of the storyline shouldn't detract from what are some really good acting performances as well. I see that Alan Bates has been offered a holiday on Necker Island, and a med cruise, by one R Branson. Never one to miss out on a bit of feel good publicity :-)
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Post by overthehill on Jan 9, 2024 11:00:58 GMT
Has anyone from the Post Office or Fujitsu been charged with anything illegal yet or is it too soon? Something like this doesn't happen in isolation, it requires a cover-up and collusion.
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Post by registerme on Jan 9, 2024 11:30:26 GMT
Has anyone from the Post Office or Fujitsu been charged with anything illegal yet or is it too soon? Something like this doesn't happen in isolation, it requires a cover-up and collusion.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67899189
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Post by ilmoro on Jan 9, 2024 13:10:37 GMT
Gong gone
Vennells to give up CBE immediately
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 9, 2024 13:23:18 GMT
Gong gone Vennells to give up CBE immediately trial by media is not my normal bag TBH, but in a sense this isn't trial by media: the media is simply surfacing to a wide audience a set of truths. I wonder how many hot shot former (current?) PO lawyers are feeling a bit sweaty at the moment.
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Post by hoy on Jan 9, 2024 13:54:22 GMT
I see that Alan Bates has been offered a holiday on Necker Island, and a med cruise, by one R Branson. Never one to miss out on a bit of feel good publicity :-) That's my one blot against Alan Bates. He basically asked Richard Branson to give him a free holiday via last weekend's Sunday Times.
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Post by jonno on Jan 9, 2024 14:09:55 GMT
I watched all episodes in one sitting. I spent most of that time some combination of furious / upset / outraged. It was worth every minute. I stuck with it last night and did it in one sitting as well. I expected the outrage, I wasn'tquite expecting so much of the being upset, which caught me a bit off guard at the start. Assuming it is near totally materially accurate on everything it did cover - I've yet to hear anyone saying it isn't - it's pretty damning. Although it's a docudrama you would think the main players would have insisted on keeping it very accurate, as would have ITV lawyers. Excellently made, and the power of the storyline shouldn't detract from what are some really good acting performances as well. I see that Alan Bates has been offered a holiday on Necker Island, and a med cruise, by one R Branson. Never one to miss out on a bit of feel good publicity :-) There does seem to be at least one omission....................No mention of Adam Crozier the Chief Exec of Royal Mail Group between 2003 and 2010 who also happens to be an ex Chief Exec of ITV. Seems a bit fishy to say the least.
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