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Post by michaelc on Apr 13, 2024 21:17:57 GMT
Good to see Lord Farage didn't make your list of annoyances. He is rather a pleasant character I do agree.  |
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Post by registerme on Apr 13, 2024 21:27:44 GMT
Good to see Lord Farage didn't make your list of annoyances. He is rather a pleasant character I do agree. It wasn't meant to be an exhaustive list 
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Post by michaelc on Apr 13, 2024 21:39:05 GMT
I see Sunak has condemned Iran's "reckless attack". He didn't say much about Israel's destruction of an Iranian embassy in a third country which prompted this evening's attack.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 13, 2024 22:12:01 GMT
Good to see Lord Farage didn't make your list of annoyances. Thoroughly covered by "Populism" and "Brexit", surely? In the grand scheme of things, though, he's more of a trivial side-amusement than an actual annoyance, what with him being utterly irrelevant.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 13, 2024 22:15:43 GMT
I see Sunak has condemned Iran's "reckless attack". He didn't say much about Israel's destruction of an Iranian embassy in a third country which prompted this evening's attack. Iran launches "tens" of drones, which will take "hours" to arrive in Israel. No, they won't. Because they'll never arrive. That's a distraction that's too easy to intercept en route. If any DO arrive, it's because Israel has allowed them through. Because Israel are *loving* this. They attacked that embassy in the hope of provoking a response, to give them a pretext to bat their eyelashes at the states and say "But they're bullying us... Send military aid!"If this is all they get, they'll be disappointed.
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Post by bracknellboy on Apr 14, 2024 6:43:39 GMT
I see Sunak has condemned Iran's "reckless attack". He didn't say much about Israel's destruction of an Iranian embassy in a third country which prompted this evening's attack. "reckless" is a word I used to describe the Israeli attack on the Iranian embassy in Syria. Albeit it was as much a military base as it was an embassy. I think the word "deliberately" could also be used as a prefix to that. It's almost like Bibi is using the state powers as a means to prop up his own political fortunes. Oh wait, he's been doing that for decades.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 14, 2024 7:16:58 GMT
I see Sunak has condemned Iran's "reckless attack". He didn't say much about Israel's destruction of an Iranian embassy in a third country which prompted this evening's attack. Iran launches "tens" of drones, which will take "hours" to arrive in Israel. No, they won't. Because they'll never arrive. That's a distraction that's too easy to intercept en route. If any DO arrive, it's because Israel has allowed them through. Because Israel are *loving* this. They attacked that embassy in the hope of provoking a response, to give them a pretext to bat their eyelashes at the states and say "But they're bullying us... Send military aid!"If this is all they get, they'll be disappointed. And, surprise surprise, "more than 99%" were shot down. Only token damage, plus one injury. Just enough for some nice emotive headlines. Iran's said "That's all, folks. But don't retaliate to our retaliation, else we'll retaliate to your retaliation to our retaliation properly."
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Post by bracknellboy on Apr 14, 2024 7:42:53 GMT
Iran launches "tens" of drones, which will take "hours" to arrive in Israel. No, they won't. Because they'll never arrive. That's a distraction that's too easy to intercept en route. If any DO arrive, it's because Israel has allowed them through. Because Israel are *loving* this. They attacked that embassy in the hope of provoking a response, to give them a pretext to bat their eyelashes at the states and say "But they're bullying us... Send military aid!"If this is all they get, they'll be disappointed. And, surprise surprise, "more than 99%" were shot down. Only token damage, plus one injury. Just enough for some nice emotive headlines. Iran's said "That's all, folks. But don't retaliate to our retaliation, else we'll retaliate to your retaliation to our retaliation properly."except the tens were in fact hundreds*. I think the assumption that in essence it is all handbags at dawn and all likely now over is a bit optimistic. It may be, it may not be. The Iranian theocracy has a tendency to play a long game at times. At least the US has helped to significantly reduce the chances of ongoing escalation by ensuring that there weren't major Israeli casualties. Hopefully behind the scenes they have also raked Bibi over the coals, again. Oh, on a positive note: there are now less Iranian drones to be sent to Russia.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 14, 2024 8:34:41 GMT
Oh, on a positive note: there are now less Iranian drones to be sent to Russia. Fewer.
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 14, 2024 8:57:03 GMT
And, surprise surprise, "more than 99%" were shot down. Only token damage, plus one injury. Just enough for some nice emotive headlines. Iran's said "That's all, folks. But don't retaliate to our retaliation, else we'll retaliate to your retaliation to our retaliation properly."except the tens were in fact hundreds*. I think the assumption that in essence it is all handbags at dawn and all likely now over is a bit optimistic. It may be, it may not be. The Iranian theocracy has a tendency to play a long game at times. At least the US has helped to significantly reduce the chances of ongoing escalation by ensuring that there weren't major Israeli casualties. Hopefully behind the scenes they have also raked Bibi over the coals, again. Oh, on a positive note: there are now less Iranian drones to be sent to Russia. Very optimistic as reports are Israeli cabinet has authorised a significant response. Doesnt seem like a very intelligent game being played by Iran ... Israeli under major pressure from allies due to a series of own goals in Gaza so you decided to unite everyone again ... French, US, UK & even Jordanians reported to have shot down stuff. A very small positive note for Ukraine but with a massive slap in the face as its having to shoot the drones down on its own, no sign of its allies leaping in to help by actually giving it the stuff to do it (obviously not going to join in directly) and it knocks Ukraine of the news agenda just when it was becoming prominent again due to the dire situation on the front ... its losing again.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 14, 2024 9:21:00 GMT
Doesnt seem like a very intelligent game being played by Iran ... Israeli under major pressure from allies due to a series of own goals in Gaza so you decided to unite everyone again ... And that's precisely why they're doing it. They can see the destablisation of Israeli internal politics, the pressure on Bibi, and they're poking away at it...
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Post by agent69 on Apr 14, 2024 9:25:58 GMT
The US Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin has said the US military had intercepted dozens of missiles and drones. UK fighter planes were also involved and an Israeli military spokesperson said France had contributed by patrolling air space.
No great suprise there then
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Post by bracknellboy on Apr 14, 2024 9:40:21 GMT
except the tens were in fact hundreds*. I think the assumption that in essence it is all handbags at dawn and all likely now over is a bit optimistic. It may be, it may not be. The Iranian theocracy has a tendency to play a long game at times. At least the US has helped to significantly reduce the chances of ongoing escalation by ensuring that there weren't major Israeli casualties. Hopefully behind the scenes they have also raked Bibi over the coals, again. Oh, on a positive note: there are now less Iranian drones to be sent to Russia. as reports are Israeli cabinet has authorised a significant response. Doesnt seem like a very intelligent game being played by Iran ... Israeli under major pressure from allies due to a series of own goals in Gaza so you decided to unite everyone again ... French, US, UK & even Jordanians reported to have shot down stuff. A very small positive note for Ukraine but with a massive slap in the face as its having to shoot the drones down on its own, no sign of its allies leaping in to help by actually giving it the stuff to do it (obviously not going to join in directly) and it knocks Ukraine of the news agenda just when it was becoming prominent again due to the dire situation on the front ... its losing again. yes, my "bit optimistic" was in the spirit of traditional British understatement. I wanted to say "naïve" but felt that would come across as offensive when it was not intended to be. As to "intelligent game". Probably not, but they would probably have perceived that both domestically and internationally they needed to be seen to do something significant as a reaction to having their consulate bombed. No autocracy can live with being seen to be pushed around and not reacting. There are probably less dramatic/provocative things it could have done while not risking being seen as "weak" though. Still, things ATM are not going too badly as events are playing out to their preferred world view script, with the evil Western bourgeois democracies rushing to the aid of the evil Israeli state. My note on Ukr was intended to be a bit tongue in cheek. Russia now has its own manufacturing facility for Iranian drones, so not sure how much they are still relying on Iranian produced Shahed.
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Post by bracknellboy on Apr 14, 2024 9:41:02 GMT
Oh, on a positive note: there are now less Iranian drones to be sent to Russia. Fewer. True. Or should it be Truer ?
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Post by agent69 on Apr 14, 2024 10:23:05 GMT
The US Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin has said the US military had intercepted dozens of missiles and drones. UK fighter planes were also involved and an Israeli military spokesperson said France had contributed by patrolling air space.
No great suprise there then
And Germany did nothing (although I suspect they will offer to sell Israel munitions to replace whatever was used to shoot down incoming missiles)
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